Confirmed:Miranda Rights Won't Be Read For Boston Bombing Suspect

Matthew 23:24
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

I get it you not happy with how they handled the investigation. In the end they did catch the terrorist now you can let all your conspiracy theories die. But knowing most conspiracy theorists this is a call to redouble the effort to spread the "truth".
 
Yes drones are murder of civilians. They are immoral on the same level as terrorism. However you don't run the country, the government does. These terrorists are as bad as the government and deserve no sympathy. Just because someone thinks the terrorists should be stopped and prevented does not mean they support the war.

Lastly there are a lot of people that do think our bombing of civilians is moral and the terrorist acts perpetrated against us are immoral. They are hypocrites but they are still right that terrorist acts are immoral.


Wow! That hurt my head to read. :eek:
 
Yes drones are murder of civilians. They are immoral on the same level as terrorism. However you don't run the country, the government does. These terrorists are as bad as the government and deserve no sympathy. Just because someone thinks the terrorists should be stopped and prevented does not mean they support the war.

Lastly there are a lot of people that do think our bombing of civilians is moral and the terrorist acts perpetrated against us are immoral. They are hypocrites but they are still right that terrorist acts are immoral.

How in the world did you extract this from what I typed?
 
I get it you not happy with how they handled the investigation. In the end they did catch the terrorist now you can let all your conspiracy theories die. But knowing most conspiracy theorists this is a call to redouble the effort to spread the "truth".

You know, beyond a reasonable doubt that the people apprehended are terrorists?

Wow, we don't need courts and juries--we need people, like you, to protect us from the terrorist. Problem solved. <s>
 
Yes, I am out of my mind for not buying the government narrative. Government is never wrong, they care about the people and they would never hurt another human being, intentionally, to garner more control. <s>

I don't believe the government. I also don't think that every single terrorist attack or mass murder is a government inside job. Right now you are spinning worse then government ever did. I see your crazy and paranoid tendencies as more of a danger to me then official narrative. Official narrative does not change things as they are. But you on other hand polarizing people in a bad way. People that would be receptive to ideas of blowback and immorality of war are to scared to talk to you because of how crazy you sound.

You are just one big distraction from important conversations.
 
How in the world did you extract this from what I typed?

You keep talking about what our government is doing overseas. I addressed that. Anything extra are my thoughts.
You know, beyond a reasonable doubt that the people apprehended are terrorists?

Wow, we don't need courts and juries--we need people, like you, to protect us from the terrorist. Problem solved. <s>
I don't believe in US justice system. Anyone can come up with their theories. Mine is more likely.
 
Here is the problem I have with how they are treating this person.

1. At this point in time, he is innocent. (he has not been found guilty in a court of law)
2. Since he is innocent, he deserves all of the rights anyone is supposed to have.

He has not been found guilty of anything in a court of law and thus they have no reason to deprive him of his Miranda Rights.

If our government can just willy-nilly go around depriving people of their rights without even having gone through the due process of law, that would mean there is no due process and they can bypass the law anytime they feel the need. This is wrong and everybody no matter what the government may think about them, should have their rights to the due process of law kept intact. There can be no exceptions just because someone is charged with a crime the government claims is special.
 
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I don't believe the government. I also don't think that every single terrorist attack or mass murder is a government inside job. Right now you are spinning worse then government ever did. I see your crazy and paranoid tendencies as more of a danger to me then official narrative. Official narrative does not change things as they are. But you on other hand polarizing people in a bad way. People that would be receptive to ideas of blowback and immorality of war are to scared to talk to you because of how crazy you sound.

You are just one big distraction from important conversations.


Yes I am out of my cotton-picking mind. I want more liberty than security!! I want unabashed, unbridled, unobstructed liberty for all!!!

How about more legislation on gun powder because the alleged terrorists used gun powder. How about more censorship and control over the internet--since the alleged terrorist used the internet to converse and learn how to make bombs. It's all about control buddy boy, quite fooling yourself.

How about more encroachment on our liberties--because that is exactly what is going to happen. That is the Cui Bono government has in all of this.
 
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Here is the problem I have with how they are treating this person.

1. At this point in time, he is innocent. (he has not been found guilty in a court of law)
2. Since he is innocent, he deserves all of the rights anyone is supposed to have.

He has not been found guilty of anything in a court of law and thus they have no reason to deprive him of his Miranda Rights.

If our government can just willy-nilly go around depriving people of their rights without even having gone through the due process of law, that would mean there is no due process and they can bypass the law anytime they feel the need. This is wrong and everybody no matter what the government may think about them, should have their rights to the due process of law kept intact. There can be no exceptions just because someone is charged with a crime the government claims is special.

Read it and weep...

PATRIOT ACT Broken Down

The Patriot Act permits:
•Secret FBI and police searches of your home and office.
•Secret government wiretaps on your phone, computer and Internet activity.
•Secret investigations of your bank records, credit cards and other financial records.
•Secret investigation of your library and book activities.
•Secret examination of your medical, travel and business records.
•The freezing of funds and assets without prior notice or appeal.
•The creation of secret "watch lists" that ban those named from air and other travel.

Under the Patriot Act your are guilty without any right to prove you are innocent.

According to George W. Bush: "The constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper."

Original source: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=131723721&blogID=278547627

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new defifnition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contemp charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: "this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of "surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all walls of privacy.

The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures – has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities.



C-Live, Love Oppose Evil. Novus Ordo Seclorum.


Source:
http://libertyforlife.com/law/patriot_act_broken_down.htm
 
Read it and weep...
~snip

I know, and it's just wrong.

How can they tell if someone is involved in terrorist activities if they don't prove it in a court of law?
 
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Yes I am out of my cotton-picking mind. I want more liberty than security!! I want unabashed, unbridled, unobstructed liberty for all!!!

How about more legislation on gun powder because the alleged terrorists used gun powder. How about more censorship and control over the internet--since the alleged terrorist used the internet to converse and learn how to make bombs. It's all about control buddy boy, quite fooling yourself.

How about more encroachment on our liberties--because that is exactly what is going to happen. That is the Cui Bono government has in all of this.

What you want is not relevant to your conspiracy theories. I want liberty over security as well. However I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories.
 
What you want is not relevant to your conspiracy theories. I want liberty over security as well. However I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories.


No, you do not subscribe to stepping out of the box and thinking on your own. Thanks for admitting it.
 
I know, and it's just wrong.

How can they tell if someone is involved in terrorist activities if they don't prove it in a court of law?


They don't care, that is the bottom line. Before too long we will all be labeled enemy combatants for simply asking questions.
 
No, you do not subscribe to stepping out of the box and thinking on your own. Thanks for admitting it.
Yeah, those who can't do that wouldn't be able to solve any crimes that involved conspirators. Police investigators are conspiracy theorists.
 
That's true, and I'm all in favor of changing our foreign policy and just leaving the rest of the world alone. However, the difference between this bombing and the drone bombings are that this bomber intentionally killed innocent people, whereas in the drone bombings innocent people are killed, but it's unintentional.

I'm not justifying it, just explaining the difference.

So what? This is an utterly trivial difference - that is, it is a difference that makes no difference at all.

The terror bombers and the drone bombers both know that innocents will die as a direct consequence of their actions - and they both go ahead and do it anyway.

Terror bombers (like the Boston bomber) kill people indiscriminantly and do not have a particular reason for wanting any specific one of their victims to die.

Drone bombers also kill people they do not have any particular reason for wanting dead (exactly like the terror bomber does) - and they do so in addition to trying to kill some specific person(s) they DO want to die.

That is why they are both vile & despicable murderers. The fact that the drone bombers are deliberately trying to kill some particular person(s) is no more relevant to this than the color of the clothes they wear. And if the difference actually is important, it would make the drone bombers even worse than the terror bombers - since the drone bombers are knowingly doing exactly the same thing as the terror bombers (i.e., killing innocent people) while also doing something else of extremely dubious morality (namely: assassination).
 
I know, and it's just wrong.

How can they tell if someone is involved in terrorist activities if they don't prove it in a court of law?

That's the point, mere accusations are enough to trigger the effects of this fine piece of legislation..

Don't worry though "Our-Government" would never abuse this type of power....
 
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