Chuck Baldwin: A Solution For The Same-Sex Marriage Problem

[MelissaWV]

Can someone explain to me how a person can call themselves a member of the liberty movement and at the same time be opposed to gay marriage? It is pretty clear that this 'movement' has really become an extension of theocratic conservatism. How are those poll numbers doing?

I am opposed to Government marriage licensure on any level. You can still have marriage at the two extreme ends of the spectrum: churches can marry whomever they want (and REFUSE to marry whomever they want), while you can also draw up a legal contract between yourself and a spouse of your choosing and endeavor to make it as enforceable as possible. You could also just get together with your family around and say some words.

That only really works, though, if we get rid of a lot of the benefits tied to marriage and a lot of the discrimination that goes on if you aren't.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Same-sex marriage has been nothing but a bogus fabricated non-issue from the very beginning. Just another meaningless power and control distraction and diversion.

How many folks are actually being affected and involved by this, nationwide?

 

[William Tell]

What? Cheetos? No liberty minded person can be against that! Especially the hot ones.

I think we will part here. ............................................

Oh! I didn't say I was against Cheetos. It was just hypothetical.:o

 

[phill4paul]

Same-sex marriage has been nothing but a bogus fabricated non-issue from the very beginning. Just another meaningless power and control distraction and diversion.

How many folks are actually being affected and involved by this, nationwide?

Dunno. I'd estimate between 100k and 300k.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Dunno. I'd estimate between 100k and 300k.

Out of 300+ millions. Big WOO.

 

[phill4paul]

Out of 300+ millions. Big WOO.

I could see that number rise to perhaps 2 million. Apparently it portends an extinction level event for the human population.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Can someone explain to me how a person can call themselves a member of the liberty movement and at the same time be opposed to gay marriage? It is pretty clear that this 'movement' has really become an extension of theocratic conservatism. How are those poll numbers doing?

Lol. We can't disagree with anything if we are part of the liberty movement? We can't be against Cheetos, Sprite, or Pepsi either?

Yeah, this segment of the "liberty" movement is a joke. The only "liberty" that matters to these types of people is the liberty to be a pervert, and it doesn't even matter if you try to use "liberty" to enforce your perversion on others (which is what gay "marriage" is being used for.)

And if you can't support Chuck Baldwin because he's a social conservative... yeah we don't have much in common. This guy is a Ron Paul guy. He's solid. I don't agree with him on everything, but hey, I don't agree with anybody on everything.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

@H.E.Pannqui,

You don't know who Chuck Baldwin is, do you?

You just spoke about him doing something if only he were more informed on issues, and don't even know that he has been educating and pushing against those very things that you rant about and "Assume" he doesn't.

A simple "google" could have saved you a lot of typing out of ignorance.

(...?your bible-thumper, baldwin, is the standard-bearer for the stinking, republican-mutation, constipation party...the stinking platform of your stinking constipation party includes, for one of many stinking things, the following:

The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.

...also, i've never heard him, or any of the other gd puppet presidential wannabees, ever clearly expose, 'the debt that ought not to be debt'...(see jerry voorhis)

...a lot of simple google searches could have saved you from apologizing for/defending goddamned awful fool constipation party republicrats...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Chuck Baldwin: A Solution For The Same-Sex Marriage Problem

Sorry Chuck, even if this is a "problem" (which is debatable), it is such a minor thing on the greater list of problems that it doesn't warrant a minute of our time.

Yes, the activist court and Constitutional process and interpretation is an issue, but that is an overarching and separate issue.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I could see that number rise to perhaps 2 million. Apparently it portends an extinction level event for the human population.

5 billion fewer human population, really works for me. About what it was in 1900.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Baldwin continues to be great, despite a few disagreements I've had with him most of what he says is right and he's not afraid to tell the truth.

 

[pcosmar]

I'm not for people "marrying" their pet goat, either.

Neither am I.
And I do not believe that God would sanction it even if the state issued a valid license to do so.

So regardless of what the State called it,, or what some people would call it,, it is not a marriage.

It is not even an issue for me.. like as total irrelevance.

Start treating State Licenses as exactly what they are.

Drivers licenses do not make good or safe drivers.. nor do they prevent bad ones.
Barbers licenses do not make good barbers, or guarantee a good haircut.
And a Marriage License does not make a marriage.

It does not matter. Quit trying to pretend it does.

 

[Brett85]

Can someone explain to me how a person can call themselves a member of the liberty movement and at the same time be opposed to gay marriage? It is pretty clear that this 'movement' has really become an extension of theocratic conservatism. How are those poll numbers doing?

Perhaps because you don't have to be a libertarian to be a part of the liberty movement? Ron Paul had a large number of supporters who were old right paleoconservatives.

Heck, Ron Paul was never in favor of gay marriage either. Does that mean that Ron Paul isn't even part of the liberty movement?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

...(help me out folks...how do i get william tell off my back?...i mean i can hardly express an honest, validated opinion on THE RON PAUL FORUMS without getting a red mark from this obviously naive, tongue-clucking republicrat...

...WILLIAM, i bet it's your diet!...more fresh veggies, fruit, good water, exercise, good humor and positive thinking!!...much less msg, aspartame, republicrattery, ludwiggery, neg-repping of panqui, etc..

 

[pcosmar]

Heck, Ron Paul was never in favor of gay marriage either. Does that mean that Ron Paul isn't even part of the liberty movement?

He was not in favor of State Marriage. Period.
The state has no business denying nor approving of any marriage. Period. (the ability to approve is the ability to deny)

 

[heavenlyboy34]

(...?your bible-thumper, baldwin, is the standard-bearer for the stinking, republican-mutation, constipation party...the stinking platform of your stinking constipation party includes, for one of many stinking things, the following:

The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.

...also, i've never heard him, or any of the other gd puppet presidential wannabees, ever clearly expose, 'the debt that ought not to be debt'...(see jerry voorhis)

...a lot of simple google searches could have saved you from apologizing for/defending goddamned awful fool constipation party republicrats...

IIRC, Chuck parts ways with his party on the drug issue. Someone better informed, plz correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

[euphemia]

99.9% of all churches in the US are 501(c)3 corporations. They were fooled into this as THE right way to be tax-exempt, without realizing they already were lawfully tax-exempt w/o gov interference.

It might be that way for 99% of churches where the larger denomination owns the property, but it's not always the case for independent, congregationally governed churches.

 

[euphemia]

Can someone explain to me how a person can call themselves a member of the liberty movement and at the same time be opposed to gay marriage? It is pretty clear that this 'movement' has really become an extension of theocratic conservatism. How are those poll numbers doing?

Of course we can be opposed to same-sex marriage. Some of us, from a postion of religious conviction, do not think the federal government should be defining marriage, or determining eligibility. To be quite honest, government discourages marriage between poor people because the government only benefits when someone with assets dies.

People who want marriage *equality* will find out it's not so great at tax time, when one of them dies, or when they decide they don't want to be married any more.

 

[Brett85]

He was not in favor of State Marriage. Period.
The state has no business denying nor approving of any marriage. Period. (the ability to approve is the ability to deny)

Sure, and that's the position that Chuck takes as well. But the person I was responding to made it sound like you can't be a libertarian if you don't support state sponsored gay marriage. He criticized Chuck Baldwin and others like him for not supporting state sponsored gay marriage. So I was just responding to his comment which seemed way off base.