Chuck Baldwin: A Solution For The Same-Sex Marriage Problem

[Ender]

It might be that way for 99% of churches where the larger denomination owns the property, but it's not always the case for independent, congregationally governed churches.

My ministry in unincorporated, but I know very few other churches that are.

 

[Sola_Fide]

chuck bible thumps: 'Neither can there be victory by pretending that Caesar’s law is Supreme Law, because it’s not! There is a Court above the court. There is a King above kings. There is a Law above law.' ​



(...of course, in that great 'Court above the court' chuck is always innocent...and chuck is a 'judge' equal to or better than all other 'judges'......

Huh? He was talking about God, not himself.

 

[Theocrat]

True Liberty is in God's Will

Can someone explain to me how a person can call themselves a member of the liberty movement and at the same time be opposed to gay marriage? It is pretty clear that this 'movement' has really become an extension of theocratic conservatism. How are those poll numbers doing?

Kade, that's easy: liberty is a gift from God (not from nature, human rulers, nor human institutions), and since God created man and woman, after His own likeness and image, to complement each other in marriage, He has the supreme authority to regulate what their sexual behavior ought to be, towards that end. Marriage is a gift from God, and we use liberty to marry whom we want without coercion nor authorization by those who wish to supplant God's sovereignty (like our current state and federal governments).

 

[Kade]

Of course we can be opposed to same-sex marriage. Some of us, from a postion of religious conviction, do not think the federal government should be defining marriage, or determining eligibility. To be quite honest, government discourages marriage between poor people because the government only benefits when someone with assets dies.

People who want marriage *equality* will find out it's not so great at tax time, when one of them dies, or when they decide they don't want to be married any more.

Is this what you actually believe? It is convenient for the religious to go immediately to the "they won't like it' argument, or far worse, an appeal to consequences fallacy. While the government is, in fact, defining marriage, equality is a must. That is all that matters. The laundry list of benefits that are unfairly denied include such things as estate inheritance, family partnership filing, veteran's and military benefits, medical decisions, employment (family leave, bereavement, worker's comp, etc), adoption or foster rights, family zoning housing, and a litany of rights associated with the "right to sue" (wrongful death, communications privileges, etc).

Please spare us the weeping heart. At least have the fortitude to admit that you are opposed to for religious reasons, and that it is a pure example of being unable to tolerate 'freedom for the rest'.

When all things are fair, and these things are outside the government, then you can, by all means, go on being against your church supporting whatever partnerships it wants...

 

[Kade]

Kade, that's easy: liberty is a gift from God (not from nature, human rulers, nor human institutions), and since God created man and woman, after His own likeness and image, to complement each other in marriage, He has the supreme authority to regulate what their sexual behavior ought to be, towards that end. Marriage is a gift from God, and we use liberty to marry whom we want without coercion nor authorization by those who wish to supplant God's sovereignty (like our current state and federal governments).

Well, as you don't need me to remind you, Faith is 'believe without evidence'; and there is no god or gods.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

sola fide writes: Huh? He was talking about God, not himself.




(sola fide, i believe you can be forced to admit/acknowledge that "god" (one letter away from 'good') is a VERY personal, individual concept... so when chuck or you or anyone else is invoking 'god' you are doing so in your own unique interpretation...affected by your VERY personal, individual experiences, prejudices, ignorance, insight, fears, hopes, etc. ad gd nauseam...so chuck and ?you and every other bible, torah, koran, etc. ad gd nauseam, thumpers are always ALWAYS talking about yourselves when you are 'talking about "god"'...

...kade has exposed the constipated republicrats so clearly even i, the great panqui, will find it hard to add anything of value..but, of course, i'll try...

 

[Rad]

The government shouldn't regulate marriage period as long as it is between consenting adults.