CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[fj45lvr]

As you know over the course of the past year, with your help both in and out of the CFL, we have changed the political discourse when it comes to the Fed, where in the first real time since 1913, the Fed is being openly challenged, discussed negatively on major media outlets, open opposition to the Fed Chairmen's nomination, and open investigations on the going ons of its illegal operations with AIG and Giethner. This is monumental, and these are the kind of victories we are achieving, where only a year ago, all thought it was impossible and the Fed was invulnerable.

I doubt anyone is disappointed that the FED is getting more scrutiny right now but I wouldn't attribute that to C4L....just look at the economic crisis. they did it to themselves and luckily the press is willing to advertise the crimes by members of the FED to a degree (as they need fall guys).

I'd hardly say that they are "vulnerable"....

 

[qwerty]

Why do we need some giant group?

Isn't money best dealt with locally?

Why send it all to Campaign for Liberty and get all pissed when it gets divided up for political reasons?

o_o

Why C4l would need you ?

Stop your bullshit. Please.

 

[Vessol]

Why C4l would need you ?

Stop your bullshit. Please.

Way to go.

Play the elitist card.

 

[qwerty]

Way to go.

Play the elitist card.

He asked why we need C4L, i just give him the same question back to think about.

It´s pretty obvious why we need C4L, to get to know each other and work together...

 

[Vessol]

He asked why we need C4L, i just give him the same question back to think about.

It´s pretty obvious why we need C4L, to get to know each other and work together...

This is true. But why do we need a top down organization? It seems too structured at the top which in my opinion has always caused problems.

Local groups > national groups.

This is what I've been realizing. We have to change locally before we change anything nationally.

 

[fj45lvr]

This is true. But why do we need a top down organization? It seems too structured at the top which in my opinion has always caused problems.

Local groups > national groups.

This is what I've been realizing. We have to change locally before we change anything nationally.

you must of read Gary North's mind.....check out his recent commentary (which could be a play book for C4L):

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north806.html

 

[qwerty]

This is true. But why do we need a top down organization? It seems too structured at the top which in my opinion has always caused problems.

Local groups > national groups.

This is what I've been realizing. We have to change locally before we change anything nationally.

I think that in politics it´s all about the numbers.

You know if C4L would have trillion members, politicians would be very interested what they have to say!



And you can allways donate your money only to the local projects.

 

[angelatc]

I, personally, don't think we need to make a new organization as much as unite the ones we have. CfL still has good people in it who are doing good work, and they will have my support. We can and should be forming PAC, Corps, etc, but that is a side issue to building a platform that unites all of the groups. Like we talked of here

Grassroots Portal Project

Maybe what needs to happen is that the groups need to officially organize on a state level, giving them the power to raise their own funds and spend their own money. I know at least one state has already done this.

The United Way is organized like that. I remember when national had a funds scandal, their local groups were insisting that they had nothing to do with national.

National needs to also decide who is going to be allowed to run these groups. We now have 4 interim state coordinators. That's beyond ridiculous.

 

[angelatc]

Why do we need some giant group?

Isn't money best dealt with locally?

Why send it all to Campaign for Liberty and get all pissed when it gets divided up for political reasons?

o_o

I agree with this. Funds need to be allocated as appropriated - either the local chapters have to be responsible for paying a certain amount to national periodically, or national has to send an honest cut of their intake back to the districts it originated in.

 

[sevin]

Why C4l would need you ?

Stop your bullshit. Please.

Way to go.

Play the elitist card.

wow, the effect this controversy is having on us just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[MsDoodahs]

It´s pretty obvious why we need C4L, to get to know each other and work together...

Nope, sorry, that doesn't pass the smell test.

We met and got to know each other HERE and thru the meetup groups.

CFL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

WE do not need CFL.

CFL needs US. Or at least they DID in order to get off the ground.

Now that they've managed that, the LIBERTY activists are no longer needed.

Liberty activists are being thrown overboard, along with the non intervention plank.

CFL has dogs at the top who are trained to smell money and then go after it. I say this because Tate and the trainer Rothfeld are touted for their FUNDRAISING ABILITY.

The GOP base has more money than the Liberty activists, so CFL is doing what those money sniffers were hired to do: bring in the money.

Principles don't matter - just money.

 

[YumYum]

Nope, sorry, that doesn't pass the smell test.

We met and got to know each other HERE and thru the meetup groups.

CFL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

WE do not need CFL.

CFL needs US. Or at least they DID in order to get off the ground.

Now that they've managed that, the LIBERTY activists are no longer needed.

Liberty activists are being thrown overboard, along with the non intervention plank.

CFL has dogs at the top who are trained to smell money and then go after it. I say this because Tate and the trainer Rothfeld are touted for their FUNDRAISING ABILITY.

The GOP base has more money than the Liberty activists, so CFL is doing what those money sniffers were hired to do: bring in the money.

Principles don't matter - just money.

I couldn't have said it better, MsDoodahs, and it's a tough, bitter pill to swallow.

 

[MsDoodahs]

It is, Yum, it really really is.

 

[LibertyEagle]

C4L made a huge mistake.

Changes need to be made.

To throw out the entire organization over this would be akin to biting off our noses to spite our faces.

 

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[MsDoodahs]

C4L made a huge mistake.

Changes need to be made.

To throw out the entire organization over this would be akin to biting off our noses to spite our faces.

Changes needed to be made LONG BEFORE THIS and CFL did NOT make any changes.

Why would anyone believe that changes will be made NOW?

It is not worth salvaging.

CFL has asked us to give them time, they were going to roll out this FANTASTIC grassroots tool.

Pfft.

NEVER HAPPENED.

We kept waiting...and waiting....and waiting.....

And LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE!

They've damaged/destroyed the very brand that they asked LIBERTY ACTIVISTS to work their asses off to establish as THE premier brand for the liberty movement!

DONE IN ONE FELL SWOOP at the hand of their TOP LEVEL PEOPLE.

Then rather than TELL THE TRUTH IMMEDIATELY, they LEAVE THE GRASSROOTS HANGING FOR TWO DAYS.

Then - they come out with that pathetic NON EXPLANATION.

Cutting off our nose to spite our face is the wrong analogy.

We're removing a cancer before it kills us.

 

[MelissaWV]

I think that in politics it´s all about the numbers.

You know if C4L would have trillion members, politicians would be very interested what they have to say!



And you can allways donate your money only to the local projects.

If CFL had a trillion members, there'd be some serious explaining to do.

As of 30 January 2010, the Earth's population is estimated by the United States Census Bureau to be 6,799,500,000.

You asked earlier why the C4L "needs" anyone in particular. They certainly did seem needy when asking for money. On the flipside, people have had success, and continue to do so, without the C4L. A larger voice might well be necessary, but just because one is necessary does not mean that C4L is best-suited to the task. You are very right that people can donate to the smaller projects if they wish. That is what a lot of us have been doing for quite some time. It does not invalidate the anger that people feel over their money being accepted with one stated purpose, and then used for another purpose entirely. Being the victim of fraud always stings.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Changes needed to be made LONG BEFORE THIS and CFL did NOT make any changes.

Why would anyone believe that changes will be made NOW?

It is not worth salvaging.

CFL has asked us to give them time, they were going to roll out this FANTASTIC grassroots tool.

Pfft.

NEVER HAPPENED.

We kept waiting...and waiting....and waiting.....

And LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE!

They've damaged/destroyed the very brand that they asked LIBERTY ACTIVISTS to work their asses off to establish as THE premier brand for the liberty movement!

DONE IN ONE FELL SWOOP at the hand of their TOP LEVEL PEOPLE.

Then rather than TELL THE TRUTH IMMEDIATELY, they LEAVE THE GRASSROOTS HANGING FOR TWO DAYS.

Then - they come out with that pathetic NON EXPLANATION.

Cutting off our nose to spite our face is the wrong analogy.

We're removing a cancer before it kills us.

Much better analogy.

 

[angelatc]

But the fact remains that unless we learn how to raise money, we can't be much of a factor. Our real candidates are awesome, and all of them are starving financially.

It isn't fair that Tate can build a viable model and we can't, but it is our current reality.

 

[cjm]

I'd like to thank MRoCkEd for posting the link to this thread over on the C4L site. I deleted my C4L account last Wednesday night and applied for an account here on RPFs last night (Friday). I'm glad to see so many people thinking for themselves and not simply accepting the "explanation" given by the C4L staff. I canceled my C4L account after the insult that I might believe that the ad was not an endorsement. I watched the ad, and it's an endorsement. I don't care if it cost $35, it shouldn't have been done. And anyone who *really* believes in the principals that C4L advertises wouldn't have done it either. It wasn't a mistake.

The G4L concept sounds great to me. Just as free markets and competition increase wealth in society, a splintered free market liberty movement with competing web sites, organizations, and tools will increase our effectiveness and success. C4L was hoping to be a centrally planned movement, but that only works for collectivism. C4L's downfall will be a good thing in time. We'll have 10, 50, or 100 organizations that we can each support -- perhaps concentrating on one or two while others stagnate, and moving on when the current ones disappoint. I'm very optimistic about the future of the liberty movement, it's stronger now than it's been in the last couple decades (I've been voting LP since 1992). Shaking off C4L now is good. Don't get attached to any particular organization or site, diversify your outreach and work, and we'll get there eventually.

I thank the RPF mods for approving my account.

Cheers,

CJM