CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[RCA]

I'd like to thank MRoCkEd for posting the link to this thread over on the C4L site. I deleted my C4L account last Wednesday night and applied for an account here on RPFs last night (Friday). I'm glad to see so many people thinking for themselves and not simply accepting the "explanation" given by the C4L staff. I canceled my C4L account after the insult that I might believe that the ad was not an endorsement. I watched the ad, and it's an endorsement. I don't care if it cost $35, it shouldn't have been done. And anyone who *really* believes in the principals that C4L advertises wouldn't have done it either. It wasn't a mistake.

The G4L concept sounds great to me. Just as free markets and competition increase wealth in society, a splintered free market liberty movement with competing web sites, organizations, and tools will increase our effectiveness and success. C4L was hoping to be a centrally planned movement, but that only works for collectivism. C4L's downfall will be a good thing in time. We'll have 10, 50, or 100 organizations that we can each support -- perhaps concentrating on one or two while others stagnate, and moving on when the current ones disappoint. I'm very optimistic about the future of the liberty movement, it's stronger now than it's been in the last couple decades (I've been voting LP since 1992). Shaking off C4L now is good. Don't get attached to any particular organization or site, diversify your outreach and work, and we'll get there eventually.

I thank the RPF mods for approving my account.

Cheers,

CJM

Welcome aboard!

 

[newbitech]

I'd like to thank MRoCkEd for posting the link to this thread over on the C4L site. I deleted my C4L account last Wednesday night and applied for an account here on RPFs last night (Friday). I'm glad to see so many people thinking for themselves and not simply accepting the "explanation" given by the C4L staff. I canceled my C4L account after the insult that I might believe that the ad was not an endorsement. I watched the ad, and it's an endorsement. I don't care if it cost $35, it shouldn't have been done. And anyone who *really* believes in the principals that C4L advertises wouldn't have done it either. It wasn't a mistake.

The G4L concept sounds great to me. Just as free markets and competition increase wealth in society, a splintered free market liberty movement with competing web sites, organizations, and tools will increase our effectiveness and success. C4L was hoping to be a centrally planned movement, but that only works for collectivism. C4L's downfall will be a good thing in time. We'll have 10, 50, or 100 organizations that we can each support -- perhaps concentrating on one or two while others stagnate, and moving on when the current ones disappoint. I'm very optimistic about the future of the liberty movement, it's stronger now than it's been in the last couple decades (I've been voting LP since 1992). Shaking off C4L now is good. Don't get attached to any particular organization or site, diversify your outreach and work, and we'll get there eventually.

I thank the RPF mods for approving my account.

Cheers,

CJM

Just out of curiosity, what websites did you participate in before you joined up with C4L last year? I'd like to know because I wonder how many other C4L members come in without knowledge of forums like this and dailypaul.com.

and welcome, here is your fireproof suit, your tinfoil hat, and your bullhorn.

 

[LittleLightShining]

But the fact remains that unless we learn how to raise money, we can't be much of a factor. Our real candidates are awesome, and all of them are starving financially.

It isn't fair that Tate can build a viable model and we can't, but it is our current reality.

Remind me who came up with the moneybomb again

I'd like to thank MRoCkEd for posting the link to this thread over on the C4L site. I deleted my C4L account last Wednesday night and applied for an account here on RPFs last night (Friday). I'm glad to see so many people thinking for themselves and not simply accepting the "explanation" given by the C4L staff. I canceled my C4L account after the insult that I might believe that the ad was not an endorsement. I watched the ad, and it's an endorsement. I don't care if it cost $35, it shouldn't have been done. And anyone who *really* believes in the principals that C4L advertises wouldn't have done it either. It wasn't a mistake.

The G4L concept sounds great to me. Just as free markets and competition increase wealth in society, a splintered free market liberty movement with competing web sites, organizations, and tools will increase our effectiveness and success. C4L was hoping to be a centrally planned movement, but that only works for collectivism. C4L's downfall will be a good thing in time. We'll have 10, 50, or 100 organizations that we can each support -- perhaps concentrating on one or two while others stagnate, and moving on when the current ones disappoint. I'm very optimistic about the future of the liberty movement, it's stronger now than it's been in the last couple decades (I've been voting LP since 1992). Shaking off C4L now is good. Don't get attached to any particular organization or site, diversify your outreach and work, and we'll get there eventually.

I thank the RPF mods for approving my account.

Cheers,

CJM

So true! Welcome to rpf

 

[catdd]

" here is your fireproof suit, your tinfoil hat, and your bullhorn."

You can have that tin foil hat shaped any way you like too. My Spartan helmet looks so authentic that you would never guess that it's made completely from tin foil.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

" here is your fireproof suit, your tinfoil hat, and your bullhorn."

You can have that tin foil hat shaped any way you like too. My Spartan helmet looks so authentic that you would never guess that it's made completely from tin foil.

so true, and there are other parts of my anatomy that I need to protect. So in addition to my tin foil hat to the north, I've fashioned a tin foil athletic supporter to the south.

.....I wear it on the outside.

 

[catdd]

Don't go overboard like this guy

YouTube - If i Only had a Heart-The Wizard of Oz-Lyrics

 

[Jeros]

The G4L concept sounds great to me. Just as free markets and competition increase wealth in society, a splintered free market liberty movement with competing web sites, organizations, and tools will increase our effectiveness and success. C4L was hoping to be a centrally planned movement, but that only works for collectivism. C4L's downfall will be a good thing in time. We'll have 10, 50, or 100 organizations that we can each support -- perhaps concentrating on one or two while others stagnate, and moving on when the current ones disappoint. I'm very optimistic about the future of the liberty movement, it's stronger now than it's been in the last couple decades (I've been voting LP since 1992). Shaking off C4L now is good. Don't get attached to any particular organization or site, diversify your outreach and work, and we'll get there eventually.

I thank the RPF mods for approving my account.

Cheers,

CJM

Alright, I just finished reading through this entire thread :o I'm not sure of who to credit for the G4L concept, but I think its a great idea. It seems more natural as well. "Campaign's" are generally centrally managed, whereas a genuine environment of liberty must be decentralized. Maybe the C4L concept was doomed from the beginning. I would like to see them pull through though and implement some sort of restructuring that shifts some of the decision making and candidate selection to the grassroots. If Tate and company continue on their current path, I do not see it regaining the trust of grassroots. I see a dangerous, somewhat elitist, attitude emanating from C4L executives and apologists, which is more or less declaring that grassroots is becoming irrelevant. Sort of an overlying question "what have you done for the central collective lately." They believe if you don't directly support national, its none of your business what they do. Thankfully, this movement is naturally decentralized and growing. Until they take away our internet connections that is!

Glad to see the overwhelming majority of Ron Paul grassroots are still on the right side of the issues. Not that there was ever very much of a doubt. I amazed at how much attention this is getting. I cant wait to see how many other self governing non-interventionists coalesce around the 2012 election season. I don't think this hurt the movement one iota. If anything, it will help weed out those intent on usurpation. Non intervention is a standard. It cannot be negotiated away. It is not up for debate. It is a defining principle that differentiates between tyranny and freedom. Any attempt to ignore the issue is a pretty accurate indicator of fishy behavior.

 

[dr. hfn]

for anyone new to the thread, read the first half to get the story.

 

[RCA]

Alright, I just finished reading through this entire thread :o I'm not sure of who to credit for the G4L concept, but I think its a great idea. It seems more natural as well. "Campaign's" are generally centrally managed, whereas a genuine environment of liberty must be decentralized. Maybe the C4L concept was doomed from the beginning. I would like to see them pull through though and implement some sort of restructuring that shifts some of the decision making and candidate selection to the grassroots. If Tate and company continue on their current path, I do not see it regaining the trust of grassroots. I see a dangerous, somewhat elitist, attitude emanating from C4L executives and apologists, which is more or less declaring that grassroots is becoming irrelevant. Sort of an overlying question "what have you done for the central collective lately." They believe if you don't directly support national, its none of your business what they do. Thankfully, this movement is naturally decentralized and growing. Until they take away our internet connections that is!

Glad to see the overwhelming majority of Ron Paul grassroots are still on the right side of the issues. Not that there was ever very much of a doubt. I amazed at how much attention this is getting. I cant wait to see how many other self governing non-interventionists coalesce around the 2012 election season. I don't think this hurt the movement one iota. If anything, it will help weed out those intent on usurpation. Non intervention is a standard. It cannot be negotiated away. It is not up for debate. It is a defining principle that differentiates between tyranny and freedom. Any attempt to ignore the issue is a pretty accurate indicator of fishy behavior.

Welcome to the forums, you've come to the right place!

 

[RCA]

Ugh.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=31973

 

[LittleLightShining]

Ugh.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=31973

I think this has its own thread here. Response from CO coordinator or something like that. Pretty pathetic.

 

[cjm]

Just out of curiosity, what websites did you participate in before you joined up with C4L last year? I'd like to know because I wonder how many other C4L members come in without knowledge of forums like this and dailypaul.com.

I haven't been an especially active participant in the sense of posting materials, essays, or comments. I tend to lurk more and just keep up with other peoples' goings-on. If I write something, it will usually be an email or paper letter to one of my representatives.

Of the liberty-oriented organizations out there, I have active memberships or have recently given money to:

mises.org
acton.org
vcdl.org
nra.org
lp.org

I have been aware of RPFs, dailypaul.com, ronpaul.com, and other sites out there because I tend to follow links when posted in whatever I happen to be reading at the time. But it's usually a case of "read-the-linked-post-and-never-go-back" unless the linked post is especially interesting (like the link to this thread). I would wager that most C4L members who use the site are also aware of the other sites, but like me, used C4L as the primary site since it was endorsed by Dr. Paul himself.

Anyway, to complete the answer, I will hit the following sites with some regularity (could be monthly or quarterly, but I tend to come back):

lewrockwell.com
nolanchart.com
depression2.tv (seems to be dead now)
theinternationalforcaster.com
infowars.com
and probably a few others that I'm not thinking of now or that are not strictly speaking, liberty-oriented sites (like marketwatch.com).

I also have bookmarks for the US Senate and House vote results, thomas.loc.gov, and the Virginia General Assembly schedules and vote results. I like primary sources.

and welcome, here is your fireproof suit, your tinfoil hat, and your bullhorn.

Thank you for the new wardrobe, it's just my size.

 

[RCA]

I haven't been an especially active participant in the sense of posting materials, essays, or comments. I tend to lurk more and just keep up with other peoples' goings-on. If I write something, it will usually be an email or paper letter to one of my representatives.

Of the liberty-oriented organizations out there, I have active memberships or have recently given money to:

mises.org
acton.org
vcdl.org
nra.org
lp.org

I have been aware of RPFs, dailypaul.com, ronpaul.com, and other sites out there because I tend to follow links when posted in whatever I happen to be reading at the time. But it's usually a case of "read-the-linked-post-and-never-go-back" unless the linked post is especially interesting (like the link to this thread). I would wager that most C4L members who use the site are also aware of the other sites, but like me, used C4L as the primary site since it was endorsed by Dr. Paul himself.

Anyway, to complete the answer, I will hit the following sites with some regularity (could be monthly or quarterly, but I tend to come back):

lewrockwell.com
nolanchart.com
depression2.tv (seems to be dead now)
theinternationalforcaster.com
infowars.com
and probably a few others that I'm not thinking of now or that are not strictly speaking, liberty-oriented sites (like marketwatch.com).

I also have bookmarks for the US Senate and House vote results, thomas.loc.gov, and the Virginia General Assembly schedules and vote results. I like primary sources.



Thank you for the new wardrobe, it's just my size.

Please see the link in my signature called "Websites for Liberty." Try not to get lost. ;-)

 

[Knightskye]

Remember when CFL started? All the Meetups were named "Ron Paul for President" and they changed their names.

 

[inibo]

Folks like you will help to make this happen. Thank you sir!

Folks like you will make this happen.

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Donation for: Committee to Elect Glen Bradley for NC House 49 1 $25.00 USD
Subtotal: $25.00 USD
Sales Tax: $0.00 USD
Total Amount: $25.00 USD

 

[inibo]

You can trust Bryan and I. We have nothing to do with Mossad.

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Folks like you will make this happen.

Thank you inibo --

I know that right now more than ever it is extremely tough to donate money to a political campaign. It is tough in the best of times, but right now the times are anything but "best." This is the one part of a political campaign that I wish were different. I am used to making every penny I get through hard work (not that a political campaign isn't hard work mind you) but no matter how hard I work, I can not by myself make the money needed to defeat Lucy Allen. Therefore it's donors like you that allow me to run in the first place.

I appreciate it more than I can express. This is the one part of a political campaign that I have a good bit of trouble with. The rest of it is most natural to me, the canvassing, the speaking, the activism -- even the legislating. What you guys are doing here will very much help me make the kind of impact to demonstrate I am real, and a real force to be reckoned with. That in turn will release more donors locally to give.

I have already seen it that the more my thermometer climbs (I have to do it manually in Photoshop by the way) the more the locals are willing to give.

You guys are giving me my start, and that will take me all the way.

This is where it starts, in the States, to restore the Constitutional order. We can do this, and you are helping to make it happen. Thank you!

 

[constituent]

We" don't need to know who the donors were because it's none of "we"'s business! I certainly would not want my name and donations release to whomever asked.

My first question to you are:
1) Are you from CO?
2) Are you a Local Coordinator?
3) Have you completed the online Local Coordinator bootcamp?
4) As a Local Coordinator who has completed the Local Coordinator online bootcamp, have you put the knowledge you've gained into action?

Oh shit, you really came back for more? Sorry I missed it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Michael Nystrom speaks with Ron Paul about the issue

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=229350

 

[rp08orbust]

Here is why we need C4L:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=236568