CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[greenspj]

100% in agreement with Dr. Paul. Disagree with neocons and whatever that candidate's name was who C4L supported in CO.

But I'm not from CO and my state's money didn't go to that ad, so I really couldn't care less. There's enough to do here. I'm just laid up at the moment and can't do it. As soon as I'm back on my feet, you wont see me online. I'll be in the streets.

My answer above here ^ obviously does not satisfy the self-proclaimed "leaders" on this forum.

Hence, the People's Revolutionary Committee of Purity of RPforum Posts have decided that I am to be relentlessly continuously attacked until I leave since they are emotionally upset with anything I say.

There goes the claim that they work with people with whom you share the same principles.

The hypocracy and irony is thick.

 

[greenspj]

Glad to hear it.


So you don't have any problem with other people in states use the CFL as an intermediary to run ads for candidates that are against the principles of the CFL and attach the CFL logo to them? So in theory you wouldn't mind if they ran a pro-obama ad and put the CFL logo on it, as long as it isn't your money?

I would if it's in my state. You bet!

 

[specsaregood]

I would if it's in my state. You bet!

With the advent of the internet, of which more and more people are turning to for information, what the CFL does in a different state will quickly reflect back on the CFL in your state. While you may say that doesn't matter -- only my actions matter -- it will matter to new recruits or new donors or new allies.

 

[MsDoodahs]

It's a public forum. Are you Staats Sicherheit? If so, you already know what I do and who I am. And because you don't agree with me, I'm sure you'll use that info politically since your first reaction is to make things personal.

I tried to stick with the facts....

Are you from CO?
Are you a Local Coordinator?
Have you completed the online Local Coordinator bootcamp?
If so, have you applied that knowledge and training?

Y or N.

If N, then why do you care so much?

In other words, unless you meet Jeff's qualifications, you can SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP because YOUR OPINION DOES NOT COUNT.

Face it, folks, this is the attitude CFL has towards the membership. We're all simply too stupid to understand any of this and we should just SEND MORE MONEY and let our elite chosen ones handle everything.

 

[greenspj]

With the advent of the internet, of which more and more people are turning to for information, what the CFL does in a different state will quickly reflect back on the CFL in your state. While you may say that doesn't matter -- only my actions matter -- it will matter to new recruits or new donors or new allies.

Are you recruiting people, getting donors or making allies for the C4L?

 

[MsDoodahs]

So do ALL state coordinators get paid, Jeff, or is it only the few chosen ones?

 

[greenspj]

In other words, unless you meet Jeff's qualifications, you can SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP because YOUR OPINION DOES NOT COUNT.

Face it, folks, this is the attitude CFL has towards the membership. We're all simply too stupid to understand any of this and we should just SEND MORE MONEY and let our elite chosen ones handle everything.

I am not THE C4L.

Members of the C4L are the C4L.

Local Coordinators are doing the work of the C4L.

Are you signed up on the email list? Are you a Local Coordinator?

Why did you make this personal, Doodah? I didn't. I just asked some questions. You instantly assumed the worst and responded with the worst intention.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Are you recruiting people, getting donors or making allies for the C4L?

Not anymore!

lol....

And good Lord, did you even notice what your statement demonstrates that you're interest is?

NOT THE MESSAGE AT ALL - but the MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Jesus H. Christ Jeff, are you here to try and defend CFL or make them look even WORSE?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Are you recruiting people, getting donors or making allies for the C4L?

Care to try questioning my credentials in that regard? Or will you continue with your smarmy BS?

A friggin "Thought Crime Warrior" for gods sake.

CfL is fast becoming the CATO of the r3VOLution

 

[LittleLightShining]

My answer above here ^ obviously does not satisfy the self-proclaimed "leaders" on this forum.

Hence, the People's Revolutionary Committee of Purity of RPforum Posts have decided that I am to be relentlessly continuously attacked until I leave since they are emotionally upset with anything I say.

There goes the claim that they work with people with whom you share the same principles.

The hypocracy and irony is thick.

No, what's thick is the bullshit and our bullshit detectors are running on high speed right now. And here comes Mr. Greenspan making strawman arguments for his old buddies from the PCC

Are you recruiting people, getting donors or making allies for the C4L?

Since when are these the primary objectives of liberty activists? See, here's the thing, you can take this back to your friends-- we're LIBERTY ACTIVISTS not CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY STAFF FUNDERS.

 

[specsaregood]

Are you recruiting people, getting donors or making allies for the C4L?

Yes, I have.

Face it, folks, this is the attitude CFL has towards the membership. We're all simply too stupid to understand any of this and we should just SEND MORE MONEY and let our elite chosen ones handle everything.

I gotta say, I chose to becoming a dues paying member of the CFL instead of the JBS because I thought it was more aligned with my interests. I am regretting that now. No way would the JBS have let something like this happen. Unless some serious changes take place up there, I will rectify that mistake in the near future.

 

[greenspj]

Not anymore!

lol....

And good Lord, did you even notice what your statement demonstrates that you're interest is?

NOT THE MESSAGE AT ALL - but the MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Jesus H. Christ Jeff, are you here to try and defend CFL or make them look even WORSE?

Now, you're just lying. See post #826 and the question that was asked which I responded to.

 

[Daamien]

I am not THE C4L.

Members of the C4L are the C4L.

Local Coordinators are doing the work of the C4L.

Are you signed up on the email list? Are you a Local Coordinator?

Why did you make this personal, Doodah? I didn't. I just asked some questions. You instantly assumed the worst and responded with the worst intention.

I was a C4L Local Coordinator. I left the organization today after what happened with the ad in Colorado and after months of trying to get Tate to provide direction and stop sending wasteful mailers with scare tactics. I have met your arbitrary criteria, so now you can sit down.

 

[greenspj]

No, what's thick is the bullshit and our bullshit detectors are running on high speed right now. And here comes Mr. Greenspan making strawman arguments for his old buddies from the PCC

Since when are these the primary objectives of liberty activists? See, here's the thing, you can take this back to your friends-- we're LIBERTY ACTIVISTS not CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY STAFF FUNDERS.

Off topic.

The question posed was...

"With the advent of the internet, of which more and more people are turning to for information, what the CFL does in a different state will quickly reflect back on the CFL in your state. While you may say that doesn't matter -- only my actions matter -- it will matter to new recruits or new donors or new allies."

The question asked back was:

"Are you recruiting new C4L members, donors or allies."

The response was pertinent.

Your response of "Since when are these the primary objectives of liberty activists? " didn't have anything to do with the post or original question.

 

[greenspj]

I was a C4L Local Coordinator. I left the organization today after what happened with the ad in Colorado and after months of trying to get Tate to provide direction and stop sending wasteful mailers with scare tactics. I have met your arbitrary criteria, so now you can sit down.

What direction did you provide as LC?

 

[MsDoodahs]

I'm done reading this CFL pimp coming in here and pushing their bullshit.

He's gone.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

It's a public forum. Are you Staats Sicherheit? If so, you already know what I do and who I am. And because you don't agree with me, I'm sure you'll use that info politically since your first reaction is to make things personal.

I tried to stick with the facts....

Are you from CO?
Are you a Local Coordinator?
Have you completed the online Local Coordinator bootcamp?
If so, have you applied that knowledge and training?

Y or N.

If N, then why do you care so much?

LOL -- so ppl who have invested years of their lives into helping to form the C4L brand should not care when the C4L brand is used to trash their most fundamentally held beliefs -- simply because they are not local to the epicenter of damage?

People who have shed blood sweat and tears to make the C4L work should simply not give a damn when the chairman of the org turns out to be an unprincipled spinmeister?

I love the C4L and everything it stands for. I camped in the cabins of St Paul and have given everything I could into the C4L only to be shit on for my effort.

And your response is that it's not my place to care because I am not local to the corruption in Colorado?

If you represent the kind of leadership we have at national, then it's no wonder the org is starting to implode.

There is one solution to restore the C4L to the grassroots network it should have been from the beginning: John Tate should resign immediately.

Even as a district coordinator I had no vote in seating this character, and he has been nothing but poison from day one.

The C4L failed to take advantage of the rising tea party movement.

The C4L hangs all of our real candidates out to dry but is happy to have the brand associated with neocon thought crimes interventionists.

But the difference is that I WANT THE C4L TO SUCCEDE.

And that is why John Tate MUST GO. He is unelected, and had been poison from day one.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Off topic.

The question posed was...

"With the advent of the internet, of which more and more people are turning to for information, what the CFL does in a different state will quickly reflect back on the CFL in your state. While you may say that doesn't matter -- only my actions matter -- it will matter to new recruits or new donors or new allies."

The question asked back was:

"Are you recruiting new C4L members, donors or allies."

The response was pertinent.

Your response of "Since when are these the primary objectives of liberty activists? " didn't have anything to do with the post or original question.

Where's your response to my first point?

 

[fj45lvr]

sounds like if C4L doesn't fire somebody then just leave them behind.

How do you stop getting announcements from them?? anybody?


Too bad that they screwed up, fiscal responsibility is one of the main reasons I like Dr. Paul., this large amount of cash spent really goes against that.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm done reading this CFL pimp coming in here and pushing their bullshit.
He's gone.

Don't do that.

Edit: I see its already done. I hope you rethink your decision.