CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

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We" don't need to know who the donors were because it's none of "we"'s business! I certainly would not want my name and donations release to whomever asked.

My first question to you are:
1) Are you from CO?
2) Are you a Local Coordinator?
3) Have you completed the online Local Coordinator bootcamp?
4) As a Local Coordinator who has completed the Local Coordinator online bootcamp, have you put the knowledge you've gained into action?

If you've answered "No" to any of the questions above, can you please explain why you are concerned about this issue?

Thanks.

so are you the one who dropped 350k, or happen to know the source of the funds?

I've seen national in action to ruin grassroots efforts here in FL. Similar pattern here in CO. I am concerned because maybe I can help others in states that are not FL or CO make sure they don't waste their time trying to follow the C4L model.

No, No, No, No..

Your answer please
 
We" don't need to know who the donors were because it's none of "we"'s business! I certainly would not want my name and donations release to whomever asked.

My first question to you are:
1) Are you from CO?
2) Are you a Local Coordinator?
3) Have you completed the online Local Coordinator bootcamp?
4) As a Local Coordinator who has completed the Local Coordinator online bootcamp, have you put the knowledge you've gained into action?

If you've answered "No" to any of the questions above, can you please explain why you are concerned about this issue?

Thanks.

Done all of them except #1 (don't know why that's even a question??) and was a state coordinator and I'm working on being a GOP District Chair (Mel Watt's district) OK??? and I want answers too, better than what we got, more like what we deserve.

That ad should have never had the C4L logo on it, at all. period.
 
1) No
2) No, but I was until a couple hours ago
3) Yes
4) Yes

Before I answer your question, who are you and what's your motive?

Sure.... My answers...

1) No
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes

I'm not from CO and I don't give a ****.

There's way too much to do in my state and me and others are busy here DOING THE WORK, not bitching.

That's my motive: There's work to do.
 
so are you the one who dropped 350k, or happen to know the source of the funds?

I've seen national in action to ruin grassroots efforts here in FL. Similar pattern here in CO. I am concerned because maybe I can help others in states that are not FL or CO make sure they don't waste their time trying to follow the C4L model.

No, No, No, No..

Your answer please

4 Nos. If you're not doing anything, then what's your concern?
 
Why are you so worried about the splinter in your neighbors eye? Is your answer to the 4 questions above "No"?

I'm a CFL donor and dues-paying member and active in my area. If non-interventionism is not a principle that is make it or break it for them anymore, then they no longer represent me. I don't want to cancel my membership; but I refuse to support yet another organization that thinks interventionism is ok. That's why I care.
 
Sure.... My answers...

1) No
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes

I'm not from CO and I don't give a ****.

There's way too much to do in my state and me and others are busy here DOING THE WORK, not bitching.

That's my motive: There's work to do.

So part of that work is defending C4L and Colorado anonymous activist? Nice job..
 
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123275

Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 16:57
in * Daily Paul Liberty Forum

John Tate's statement can be read on the C4L's site via this link.

The numerous comments on the linked article, as well as comment threads on Ron Paul Forums and the Daily Paul indicate overwhelming dissatisfaction with the vaguely worded explanation, and call for more answers.

Questions that come to my mind when reading the statement include:

Tate: The candidate featured in the Colorado ad answered 19 out of 20 questions correctly on our C4L candidate survey

We have seen the questions. Where are Buck's answers?

Regardless of how he answered, it is clear from his own website that he is a pro-war, pro-interventionist candidate:

We definitely need to continue a major effort in Afghanistan. We are told this effort will take at least 10 years. It will require both military and civilian personnel to help build up the country. The generals on the ground tell us we are likely to be in Afghanistan for the long term with a difficult and complicated mission.

Anyone with even the slightest familiarity with grassroots supporters knows that, while we are a diverse bunch, there are a few issues upon which we are in total agreement. One of these uniting issues is the principle of NON-INTERVENTIONISM. The fact that Buck answered 19 questions "correctly" is irrelevant.

THIS IS AN ISSUE ON WHICH WE NEVER COMPROMISE.

Tate: We treat these surveys as a personal promise from the candidate as to how they will vote upon entering Congress. And I can guarantee you we will hold them accountable for their actions and responsible for how they presented themselves to us.

How sweet. If these are "personal promises," how exactly do you intend to hold these candidates responsible once they become elected officials, and view themselves as above the law? Do you intend to bring lawsuits against the individuals should they break them? What is the plan here? I'm curious, since breaking campaign promises is a routine event in American politics.

If you are making a "guarantee," how will those of us who trusted your judgement be compensated for being duped?

Tate: The Colorado program was funded by a small number of Colorado activists. The funding for this program came ENTIRELY from this small group of new C4L donors.

This sounds like a side pool of money. Who is this "small number of Colorado activists?" Does the group have a name, or formal organization? Is the group's mission consistent with that of C4L? What other type of influence, if any, have they purchased within the C4L with this money?

Furthermore, what is the criteria for other groups who wish to channel side pools through the C4L? Did any of the money go to the C4L, or was it all used to fund the ad? Did any members of the C4L personally benefit from this transaction?

Tate: So for all our great grassroots who are wondering why we might not have used this money elsewhere, I can say two things: First, we WILL have similar programs in MANY other places soon

Really? When? Because 2010 primaries are coming up very, very quick. We've got a slew of REAL liberty candidates who have emerged from the grassroots movement started by Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign. So far there has been no action on the part of the C4L to support these candidates. Candidates like: Rand Paul, RJ Harris Jake Towne, John Dennis, Adam Kokesh, and Debra Medina. As far as I understand, none of these candidates have heard a peep for C4L.

If your answer is: I think it is important to state up front that, in keeping with our 501(c)4 status, none of our work is in endorsement, support, or opposition for any candidate,

I'm afraid that just answer doesn't cut it - not after the Buck ad. While the ad may be consistent with the letter of the law, it is not consistent with its spirit.

Among the local grassroots, asking for help from the C4L has become a running joke. Such a suggestion is met with the roll of eyes and a sarcastic scoff: "Right, like that is ever going to happen."

In the end, this event has been very disappointing to everyone in the community who has steadfastly supported Ron Paul. My understanding of the C4L is that it was to work with the grassroots community toward common goals. That hasn't happened.

This response did very little to satisfy the growing dissatisfaction within C4L membership and grassroots Ron Paul supporters. We got no new information - nothing we hadn't already figured out on our own via the Forums.

We do not appreciate being treated like ignorant jackasses.
Fantastic! I couldn't agree more.
 
4 Nos. If you're not doing anything, then what's your concern?

Not doing anything with C4L doesn't equal not doing anything. So if you aren't going to get past that, you will never see my concern.

I have already expressed it. What is your concern?
 
It's ironic that you want the C4L to divulge it's private donor lists, but you wont answer the 4 questions above.

It's absurd to think that you should decide the questions that I am allowed to ask, and it's rather amusing that you really don't understand the meaning of the word "irony." the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

You also might want to look up the correct way to use 's after "it" while you're brushing up on English.

And where did you get the idea that 501(c)4 contributions were private?
 
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Before I answer your question, who are you and what's your motive?


Search function is disabled at the moment, but if memory serves me correctly, this entity was here during the campaign...defending some action that the grassroots disagreed with back then...and I was puzzled because he used some of the exact same phrases that had been used by Debbie Hopper.

Once search is re-established I will review and let y'all know if memory is serving correctly.
 
As long as no C4L money was used, I do not mind if a couple individuals in C4L used their own money for a candidate they like. As long as my money isn't going to such things I don't care. I don't see why people are so angry and blowing this out of proportion. It is as though they always want to be on the underdog end and fighting against the system, even their own system. We shouldn't undo all the progress we have made with C4L by leaving it.
 
As long as no C4L money was used, I do not mind if a couple individuals in C4L used their own money for a candidate they like. As long as my money isn't going to such things I don't care. I don't see why people are so angry and blowing this out of proportion. It is as though they always want to be on the underdog end and fighting against the system, even their own system. We shouldn't undo all the progress we have made with C4L by leaving it.

The used the logo, the name, and the reputation of Campaign for Liberty on a fucling pro-war neocon scumbag piece of shit.
 
As long as no C4L money was used, I do not mind if a couple individuals in C4L used their own money for a candidate they like. As long as my money isn't going to such things I don't care. I don't see why people are so angry and blowing this out of proportion. It is as though they always want to be on the underdog end and fighting against the system, even their own system. We shouldn't undo all the progress we have made with C4L by leaving it.


Because the non interventionism plank is CRITICAL to ALL OTHERS.

CFL SOLD OUT.
 
Because the non interventionism plank is CRITICAL to ALL OTHERS.

CFL SOLD OUT.

CFL did not sell out, the spent no money on this ad. However I think it is legitimate to question the motives of this group of members who put forward the money. I think infiltration is something to worry about. However, to leave the organization when it is filled overwhelmingly with our people and none of our donations were spent is absurd, we can't just leave the organization we started because a couple neo con infiltrators put up their own money to push a pro war candidate. We need C4L for as a financial and organizational arm of the liberty movement if we are going to get anywhere. IF you want to undermine the liberty movement by getting in a hissy fit and handing it over to a minority of neo conservative infiltrators than go ahead, by I won't. Non-Interventionism is a plank of the C4L and it is crucial those of us who believe in this stay in the organization.
 
Not doing anything with C4L doesn't equal not doing anything. So if you aren't going to get past that, you will never see my concern.

I have already expressed it. What is your concern?


Wait, if you're not doing anything with the C4L, then what's your beef?
 
As long as no C4L money was used, I do not mind if a couple individuals in C4L used their own money for a candidate they like. As long as my money isn't going to such things I don't care. I don't see why people are so angry and blowing this out of proportion. It is as though they always want to be on the underdog end and fighting against the system, even their own system. We shouldn't undo all the progress we have made with C4L by leaving it.
I was gonna answer you but these are great:
The used the logo, the name, and the reputation of Campaign for Liberty on a fucling pro-war neocon scumbag piece of shit.

Because the non interventionism plank is CRITICAL to ALL OTHERS.

CFL SOLD OUT.

Let's not forget him prosecuting a hate crime and violating the 4th amendment.
 
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