CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[Keller1967]

made new thread

 

[Mini-Me]

EDIT: ...I'll post in Keller's new thread.

 

[Chieftain1776]

CFL wasn't supposed to be run by a secret oligarchy working in strategic opaqueness.

Yeah, I think it's going after the "Club for Growth" model without announcing that to its membership. It's a decent approach but needs to be discussed and debated with the membership.

Plus "Growth" at C4G means certain policies a candidate must endorse. C4L has to have a set criteria and a candidate with a credible record of standing up for that criteria before endorsing them. MAKE NO MISTAKE THIS WAS AN ENDORSEMENT of Ken Buck.

 

[LittleLightShining]

What if there's a secret strategy behind this ad buy that we don't understand because we don't have all the facts, and C4L can't reveal them for now because a) doing so would make the strategy pointless, and b) some of us wouldn't agree with the strategy, even if it has a good chance of working?

If C4L's plan is to take over the GOP (rather than educating the grassroots and the masses) then they will have to make some tough strategic decisions that will be unpopular with many of us. I guess we all have to ask ourselves, which issues are non-negotiable and which ones are we willing to compromise on?

Should we really second-guess every strategic decision they make, as long as they make perfectly clear what principles they stand for and what their political goals are?

They suck at strategy. They should have pushed for a discharge petition for 1207.

 

[angelatc]

My guess is that C4L is starting a survey campaign that was allotted $350,000 for that project. They created a survey, got a few back and made a quick ad for one of the early survey respondents with a message to others to respond.

At least that's what I hope.

The original article is written by a liberal news writer and the YouTube video is from a liberal who has another video of a top Dem who recently sent out a memo on "How to split the GOP".

I won't pass judgement until the details are revealed from a non-Democrat source.

That's still not OK. There are a ton of liberty candidates out there that could have benefited from the same ad. Name recognition is important.

 

[Meatwasp]

If they don't have a damned good excuse they have tangled themselves in a big hair ball that will be hard to get out of.

 

[angelatc]

What if there's a secret strategy behind this ad buy that we don't understand because we don't have all the facts,

You mean like all the secret strategies to win elections they had during the primaries? The strategies we were continuously told we didn't understand, because we didn't have all the facts?

The strategy that ended up being, "We didn't really want to win. We wanted to get a message out, and use all that leftover money to start a new group so we could have jobs fighting bureaucracy with bureaucracy?"

You're right. What if?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I told you all CFL was not a liberty organization and that one should be wary of it.

Many of you here laughed at me and said I was crazy. Well, where's the apology?

Oh, and not to me, to the pro liberty cause, because those of you supporting CFL just supported the establishment. You've been had. Bravo.

 

[Cowlesy]

geez i don't read posts for 13hrs and this thing balloons to 400+ posts <relegates to after-work posts>

 

[angelatc]

I told you all CFL was not a liberty organization and that one should be wary of it.

Many of you here laughed at me and said I was crazy. Well, where's the apology?

Oh, and not to me, to the pro liberty cause, because those of you supporting CFL just supported the establishment. You've been had. Bravo.

You're not helping anything. It's not about you.

 

[brandon]

geez i don't read posts for 13hrs and this thing balloons to 400+ posts <relegates to after-work posts>

You didn't miss too much.

Basically, the CFL is responsible for this, they have been completely silent on the issue, and John Tate is expected to put out a statement today or tomorrow.

95% of us are pissed and 5% of us think they might have some super secret strategy that will justify this.

 

[Chieftain1776]

Okay here's my slightly revised theory. C4L is trying to be "part of the team" which means that they are trying to contribute to the greater conservative movement in the hopes that our candidates are accepted and not fought against. i.e. opposing the criticism that we need to be "part of the solution".

I think the fact that Erick Erickson--editor-in-chief of the formerly anti-Paul RedState--endorsing Rand Paul for Senate is a sign that this is happening. I think the conservative movement (libertarians and all) are trying to unite against the GOP establishment which is beholden to special interests rather than to any principles.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Okay here's my slightly revised theory. C4L is trying to be "part of the team" which means that they are trying to contribute to the greater conservative movement in the hopes that our candidates are accepted and not fought against. i.e. opposing the criticism that we need to be "part of the solution".

I think the fact that Erick Erickson--editor-in-chief of the formerly anti-Paul RedState--endorsing Rand Paul for Senate is a sign that this is happening. I think the conservative movement (libertarians and all) are trying to unite against the GOP establishment which is beholden to special interests rather than to any principles.

We shouldn't have to compromise our principles.

 

[klamath]

Okay here's my slightly revised theory. C4L is trying to be "part of the team" which means that they are trying to contribute to the greater conservative movement in the hopes that our candidates are accepted and not fought against. i.e. opposing the criticism that we need to be "part of the solution".

I think the fact that Erick Erickson--editor-in-chief of the formerly anti-Paul RedState--endorsing Rand Paul for Senate is a sign that this is happening. I think the conservative movement (libertarians and all) are trying to unite against the GOP establishment which is beholden to special interests rather than to any principles.

I could buy this if it wasn't the 350 grand number. That is either a complete sellout or one stupid assed strategy.

 

[Chieftain1776]

We shouldn't have to compromise our principles.

Yeah I hope the C4L explains their approach because the only thing we know for sure is that Buck is not an adamant non-interventionist although recent statements at least demand a declaration of war. It's still a political compromise even if there is some sort of overall beneficial horsetrading going on.

 

[Chieftain1776]

If I'm right I'd would rather have SCF's endorsement in Kentucky than C4L's.

 

[Reason]

I know C4L hasn't given him any money, we did do a television ad promoting C4L and mentioning he had responded to our candidate survey favorably.

Do you know of any other candidates whom have returned our survey favorably and we should look into?

My response was,

I guess the question now is how much was spent on this TV ad, hopefully not 350k....

I don't know of any other candidates whom have returned the survey.

I can tell you that the main reason for the outrage is that we have legit liberty candidates like Schiff, Rand, Glen etc that desperately need all the help they can get, so hearing that 350k was dropped on this is going to stir up a lot of emotion.

 

[Chieftain1776]

I could buy this if it wasn't the 350 grand number. That is either a complete sellout or one stupid assed strategy.

Yeah, I doubt SCF or even Club for Growth has spent that much for Rubio thus far.

 

[LittleLightShining]

My response was,

I guess the question now is how much was spent on this TV ad, hopefully not 350k....

I don't know of any other candidates whom have returned the survey.

I can tell you that the main reason for the outrage is that we have legit liberty candidates like Schiff, Rand, Glen etc that desperately need all the help they can get, so hearing that 350k was dropped on this is going to stir up a lot of emotion.

Where'd you get this? I want an ad like that for Len Britton who is running against Pat Leahy-- who is definitely more in line with our positions than this yahoo.

Why didn't Kokesh get a survey? Did Schiff? Did Rand? Did anyone else?

 

[Cowlesy]

You didn't miss too much.

Basically, the CFL is responsible for this, they have been completely silent on the issue, and John Tate is expected to put out a statement today or tomorrow.

95% of us are pissed and 5% of us think they might have some super secret strategy that will justify this.

Roger that - thanks!