osan
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I lean towards being pro-choice, but I don't think it should be the defining issue for libertarians. I posted my pro-choice view in a thread here recently and was told by one guy that if you are pro-choice you don't understand life and therefore cannot be a libertarian. Is that the prevailing opinion around here? That makes no sense to me because 99.99% of the topics that are normally discussed are involving adults where we all agree what defines life. For example if we're talking about minimum wage there aren't any fetuses involved. We all agree that adults are alive and have the full set of rights. So I was wondering if that guy was an aberration or the normal in these forums.
It is a non-issue for me. I am firmly pro-choice, not because I "like" abortion or think it no big deal - very much the opposite, I find it a horror and a rather big deal - but because either one is free or is not. It is clear to me that a woman holds the property right to choose the same way I do on my house.
If I spy a man about to set my empty home ablaze, I still hold the right to shoot the life from his carcass because he is threatening my chosen circumstance, as much my property as anything else I possess. One need not be a direct and immediate threat to my life to justify my use of deadly force against their acts or those immediately pending. A woman's circumstance is also her property and she holds the right to protect it from threats as she perceives them. This is one of the potentially ugly sides of the freedom coin that so many people reject for their ugliness alone and not for any logically valid reason.
Horror is part and parcel with freedom. If you do not accept the horror aspect, you do not accept freedom, but rather are a proponent of pretty slavery, thereby revealing that your position is perforce arbitrary and in which case means you have no standing above so much as even the lowest progressive scum who seeks to impose his vision of pretty slavery upon you. At that point, all principle and reason have winged away into the aether and the two of your are engaged in a contest wherein the decision is rendered by he who is the better pugilist... or perhaps whether it is Tuesday... or the price of wheat futures, or even the state of Bammy's hemorrhoids.
The case against choice is emotionally compelling with enormous force, and yet it is still wrong. Even Ron Paul is mistaken on this, well crafted as his argument is in formal terms.
It is not my goal here to convince anyone of my position, but only to state it. Each man must decide for himself whether he is for real freedom or for something else.
As for "understanding" life, IMO anyone claiming to is a bald-faced liar or deluded in terrible measure. Living life does not imply understanding.