Can someone make signs of Ron with the baby in the flag?

[jake]

I for one think it's an awesome drawing

 

[phree]

People (undecided voters) get a little weirded out by stuff like this. I doubt that Dr. Paul would ever pose for this image so I doubt that he would like it incorporated into his campaign.

Anyways, it's grassroots so do what you will.

 

[dougkeenan]

Not "do," already done. People don't get weirded out by babies, trust me.

Where is your creative effort towards undecided voters?

 

[phree]

Not "do," already done. People don't get weirded out by babies, trust me.

Where is your creative effort towards undecided voters?

Look, the image is contrived and sappy. There, you made me say it, are you happy now?

 

[phree]

Where is your creative effort towards undecided voters?

My creative efforts involve deducing what issues are important to individuals I meet and then exposing them to parts of Dr. Paul's platform that are most likely to win them over.

 

[dougkeenan]

It's Christmas time. I was happy before.

Are you aware Dr. Paul is an actual OB/GYN? It's not contrived.

Are you aware Dr. Paul actually cares about liberty? It's not sappy.

Are you happy to knock down someone else's work without offering your own?

 

[derdy]

Look, the image is contrived and sappy. There, you made me say it, are you happy now?

It's a lot better than beating around the bush.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Who cares about the flag code! This is a great image that needs to be used far and wide!

 

[Menthol Patch]

Oh no it violates optional, voluntary, unenforced laws? OH NO!!!!!

The only people this would upset would be flag waving jingoists who are all voting for Giuliani because "He goan keep amerkuh safe from da terrists"

Not exactly the target demographic

Anyone who would be offended by this image would never support Ron Paul anyway.

 

[literatim]

The image rules.

 

[phree]

Anyone who would be offended by this image would never support Ron Paul anyway.

I for one am not offended by it at all, but I don't think it's an effective tool for the campaign. I support Dr. Paul by focusing on the issues which is exactly what he does.
Dr. Paul doesn't try and build his image up by waving flags and holding babies.

We are already seeing an attempt to frame us as a cult and efforts like this only reinforce those smears. Again, Dr. Paul only wants to focus on issues.

Maybe I'm wrong about how Dr. Paul would react to this image. Why don't you send a copy to his campaign headquarters and ask him to approve it? It is his face you're using after all. If he approves it you can come back here and rub my nose in it.

PM me if you want the email address for his assistant campaign manager.

Dr. Paul: "It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.'

 

[Sey.Naci]

I actually didn't like the image until I saw it in this video. It's so very appropriate there - a picture worth a thousand words.

 

[dougkeenan]

There's room for more than one tool in a toolbox!

This one works favorably on many people, probably most of whom like flags and babies.

It's your idea and you've got the eddy, so why not run with it? I'd like to known Dr. Paul's thoughts on it as well. But no nose rubbing. No french kissing either.

 

[ladyliberty]

The painting itself might not (not sure how that works), but the flag isn't supposed to be used as clothing. As for saying "fuck it," sure, you can do that, but that doesn't change the fact that it can alienate people.

By that logic this graphic would also be wrong:

 

[westmich4paul]

Here's the code section of Respect of the flag


It speaks about the actual flag, not a drawing of the flag. Although it would violate section (h) "The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.", if there was a real person holding a real baby in a real flag. The code is not violated in this case because it is a representational drawing, not an actual flag.

One could argue that the flag in this drawing represents our constitutional republic and its ideals of freedom and individual rights, and the baby represents the rebirth of the citizenry back to those ideals with the help of Dr. Paul. One could argue many representations when dealing with symbolism.

My opinion? The code is not broken when an artistic representation of the flag is used. The code applies to the actual flag only. Otherwise, it would have specifically mentioned something about drawings of flags.

Edit: Another opinion: On this sentence...

The first part I agree with, the second part is just silly.

When my Father passed the Marines gave me a folded flag as a memorial to his service. Was this a code violation?

 

[phree]

Would we have Dr. Paul wrap an actual baby in a flag and parade around with it?

What is this if not pandering to emotions?

PM me for that email address.

 

[dougkeenan]

No and he won't stand in a harbor holding a lamp either.

It's not pandering, it's symbolism. Perhaps that's a little beyond your ken.

And I'm not your monkey - do your own work.

 

[Troyhand]

When my Father passed the Marines gave me a folded flag as a memorial to his service. Was this a code violation?

I don't know what the miltary code is for how to handle the flag. I googled the flag code and found one official site that had the code section entitled "Respect for Flag" which I posted earlier. Since the military makes the ultimate sacrifice in defense of the flag, I'm sure they have different allowances and ceremonies with respect to the flag. e.g. the flag-draped coffin of a war casualty.

 

[ErikBlack]

Um, this violates the Flag Code.

If people paid half as much time caring about the country the flag represents instead of fawning over a symbolic piece of cloth we might actually get something done

"I don't get sentimental over yellow ribbons and American flags. I consider them to be symbols and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded..."

-George Carlin

 

[Troyhand]

I for one am not offended by it at all, but I don't think it's an effective tool for the campaign. I support Dr. Paul by focusing on the issues which is exactly what he does.
Dr. Paul doesn't try and build his image up by waving flags and holding babies.

We are already seeing an attempt to frame us as a cult and efforts like this only reinforce those smears. Again, Dr. Paul only wants to focus on issues.

Maybe I'm wrong about how Dr. Paul would react to this image. Why don't you send a copy to his campaign headquarters and ask him to approve it? It is his face you're using after all. If he approves it you can come back here and rub my nose in it.

PM me if you want the email address for his assistant campaign manager.

Dr. Paul: "It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.'

More than likely, Dr. Paul would not use this image in the campaign. One reason being the irony in it after he quoted the Sinclair Lewis line, another being he is a humble man.
But so what? Does that mean he wouldn't endorse us using it, since it gives such obvious encouragement to so many of his supporters? Did his campaign encourage November 5th? Did it encourage the Teaparty? Do you think Dr. Paul will ever ride the blimp before Election Day?
The method in the madness of this campaign is that the grassroots have the power to direct how the message gets out. A decentralized, diversified gathering of ideas, where the best ideas will be chosen by consensus. Free-market philosophy. Of that, Dr. Paul would most definitely approve. Wouldn't you agree?

Separate from the above response: To reiterate, the flag code says nothing about pictures or drawings of flags.