Can someone make signs of Ron with the baby in the flag?

[LARRY08RP]

Title: The rebirth of America

 

[phree]

I don't like it.

 

[dougkeenan]

I like how it appeals to both people that like Ron Paul and those that like babies.

 

[Nyte]

Id rather see the flag wrapped around a newborn baby than wrapped around a coffin....

Aint NOTHING more respectful than associating a flag/symbol with a newborn, innocent, pure, beautiful life.

QFT

 

[Troyhand]

Here's the code section of Respect of the flag

The Flag Code - Respect for Flag
§ 8. Respect for flag No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.


(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.

Bunting of blue, white, and red always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkin or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. (Disposal of Unserviceable Flags Ceremony)

It speaks about the actual flag, not a drawing of the flag. Although it would violate section (h) "The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.", if there was a real person holding a real baby in a real flag. The code is not violated in this case because it is a representational drawing, not an actual flag.

One could argue that the flag in this drawing represents our constitutional republic and its ideals of freedom and individual rights, and the baby represents the rebirth of the citizenry back to those ideals with the help of Dr. Paul. One could argue many representations when dealing with symbolism.

My opinion? The code is not broken when an artistic representation of the flag is used. The code applies to the actual flag only. Otherwise, it would have specifically mentioned something about drawings of flags.

Edit: Another opinion: On this sentence...

The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.

The first part I agree with, the second part is just silly.

 

[Nyte]

Great post Troy.

The only part of the code I find ironic is:
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

Except dead soldiers right? I mean, it's ok for the flag to be used to deliver the bodies of our dead soldiers home...

 

[phree]

I like how it appeals to both people that like Ron Paul and those that like babies.

I don't like babies.

 

[Antonius Stone]

once again, i think you should add in Lady Liberty. an Image of Dr. Paul delivering baby America to Lady Liberty would be perfect, imo

 

[dougkeenan]

Ron Paul likes babies. He delivered lots and lots of them.

 

[Iwantbatteries]

this line is great!

"The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. "

note that the union is up in this particular picture. Extreme danger to property indeed.

 

[dougkeenan]

Ah, the baby is not in danger with Ron Paul. Good point!

 

[idiom]

I thought the baby is supposed to be metaphorical for America or Liberty. The only indicator of that Metaphor is the flag. The flag is not being used as swaddling for real sticky babies.

 

[MooCowzRock]

Laws are laws, we dont care what you may happen to think about it. I happen to know a few people in the military who take it personally when a flag isn't displayed correctly.

We want to appeal to people, not immediately turn them off to the cause.

I see what you're saying, but I think the way its used here is very tasteful. Most people I've talked to that hold a lot of respect for the flag only really have a problem when the flag is dis-respected, or devalued as a thing of "fasion." Here, its representative of something political and American, and is respectful, even if it doesnt follow the specific "code."

 

[KMA-NWO]

HOLD ALL HORSES: HIGH RESOLUTION (modified bottom text) AVAILABLE HERE:

http://silenceisdefeat.org/~lucian/ronpaul_hires_cc.png

(this is a LARGE filesize image (~10MB), if you don't intend to use it but just to look at it, a smaller version is below)

 

[phree]

Ask Dr. Paul what he thinks. My guess is that he would not "endorse this ad".

 

[dougkeenan]

His supporters get it. That's important even if your guess was reasonable. Which it isn't.

 

[phree]

His supporters get it. That's important even if your guess was reasonable. Which it isn't.

We shouldn't be wasting time with stuff that his supporters "get". We should focus on what undecided voters think.

 

[dougkeenan]

No one is being forced to "waste time" with this wonderful image.

We should all knock ourselves out going after undecided voters. So happens this artist's approach does inspire new Ron Paul supporters. Where may we see your approach?

 

[Troyhand]

We shouldn't be wasting time with stuff that his supporters "get". We should focus on what undecided voters think.

Phree. You don't even like babies.

I don't like babies.

It's hard for me to trust your judgement on what undecided voters may think.

 

[phree]

Look, I don't have a problem with devotional images, especially when the subject is a hero like Dr. Paul. My comments are based on the belief that this image will do little or nothing to help elect the good Dr.