Campaign for Liberty solicitations

[Matt Collins]

Call it whatever you wish it's an honest reaction, and one that's shared by others, including myself.

So you're saying a bunch of people around here are immature?

 

[Matt Collins]

BINGO!! We don't fall for the same tricks as the mass populace.

Marketing is marketing and most people do indeed follow the same fundamental laws of marketing.

I've had it with political establishment hacks in the past, these guys aren't acting any different.

LOLz, put down the Kokesh bong, really, try and think for yourself here. If you can't see how Rand is acting any different, then you aren't paying attention

 

[Matt Collins]

My fear is that C4L as an organization is primarily focused on paying staff and not on the alleged objective.

If you were involved in the organization then you would know that isn't true. Have you ever met with your state coordinator?

 

[Matt Collins]

It looks to me like the Campaign for Liberty mailing list was sold or given to the Romney campaign. I have a very unique mailing label that started with a project I worked on years ago in the 2008 era that has now 'migrated' to Romney campaign solicitations.

That doesn't mean that it was. Romney and the RNC aquire lists through all sorts of things. And honestly the RP08 list got passed around quite a bit by a lot of different people. List security in 2012 was much tighter.

 

[sailingaway]

So you're saying a bunch of people around here are immature?

Quit calling people names just because their conclusions are ones you don't like.

 

[sailingaway]

Marketing is marketing and most people do indeed follow the same fundamental laws of marketing.

LOLz, put down the Kokesh bong, really, try and think for yourself here. If you can't see how Rand is acting any different, then you aren't paying attention

this is also an attack in case you don't recognize it.

 

[ninepointfive]

Matt Collins is a liability to your organization @C4Liberty

 

[belian78]

Matt Collins is a liability to your organization @C4Liberty

+rep
Wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Teh Collins vs RPFers. This shit is going to explode.
*ducks for cover*

 

[Matthew5]

It costs money to expand their membership, it's called "prospecting". And the best place to get donations, is from people who have already donated which is why they continue to ask (marketing 101).

Sorry, but...

Non-profit fundraising 101: Do not harass your donors

Non-profit fundraising 103: Make your letter more donor-centric

 

[tsai3904]

I get emails from Young Americans for Liberty and FreedomWorks all the time and the emails they send out are completely different than C4L. I know YAL is a spinoff from the campaign but both those organizations seem to be very successful and don't ever ask for donations in their emails. They update you on what their organizations are doing, provide actual useful information, and at the very bottom of each email, they have a link to contribute if you want. They don't make that the sole focus of their email.

If C4L is successful at what they're doing, I hope they continue doing it but if they are struggling, they need to change strategies and learn from other organizations.

If anyone isn't plugged in to YAL, you should. Check out their website at www.yaliberty.org to see the future of the liberty movement in action. Sign up for their emails too. Their emails contain useful info and are not mainly solicitation emails.

 

[tsai3904]

C4L has announced on their website many days ago that there will be 3 additional cosponsors to S. 202 when the Senate reconvenes on November 13.

I wonder if anyone knew this. Wouldn't this be the kind of news C4L would want to spread on social media or include in emails since they seem to be the only ones with the inside information?

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/r...have-you-contacted-your-senators-about-s-202/

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt Collins is a liability to your organization @C4Liberty

I am not employed by C4L

 

[Keith and stuff]

I get emails from Young Americans for Liberty and FreedomWorks all the time and the emails they send out are completely different than C4L. I know YAL is a spinoff from the campaign but both those organizations seem to be very successful and don't ever ask for donations in their emails. They update you on what their organizations are doing, provide actual useful information, and at the very bottom of each email, they have a link to contribute if you want. They don't make that the sole focus of their email.

If C4L is successful at what they're doing, I hope they continue doing it but if they are struggling, they need to change strategies and learn from other organizations.

If anyone isn't plugged in to YAL, you should. Check out their website at www.yaliberty.org to see the future of the liberty movement in action. Sign up for their emails too. Their emails contain useful info and are not mainly solicitation emails.

I agree, YAL is awesome. YAL is both nationally focused and heavily chapter focused (at colleges mostly). C4L is both nationally focused and state focused. They are two separate but awesome groups! I get YAL emails asking for money but I agree that not all of the YAL emails don't ask for money. Heck, the YAL newsletter might even ask for money but I never notice it in the newsletter (which is nicely done). It would be awesome if there was a C4L newsletter even if it used the older style of only having 1 column of text down the middle.

 

[KCIndy]

I get emails from Young Americans for Liberty and FreedomWorks all the time and the emails they send out are completely different than C4L. I know YAL is a spinoff from the campaign but both those organizations seem to be very successful and don't ever ask for donations in their emails. They update you on what their organizations are doing, provide actual useful information, and at the very bottom of each email, they have a link to contribute if you want. They don't make that the sole focus of their email.

Excellent point. I've been very impressed with YAL. They're effective at outreach, they're growing, and seem to be making real inroads in the university and college communities around the country. And they're doing it without sending out three page letters that do nothing but beg for cash.

Right now, YAL is one of the main reasons I still hold a bit of hope for the future.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Excellent point. I've been very impressed with YAL. They're effective at outreach, they're growing, and seem to be making real inroads in the university and college communities around the country. And they're doing it without sending out three page letters that do nothing but beg for cash.

Right now, YAL is one of the main reasons I still hold a bit of hope for the future.

C4L money marketing is more old school. Older people tend be more likely to donate and C4L letters tend to be more designed for older people. Same with the emails. YAL tends to have younger remember and donors. Both groups have put a lot of time and money into fundraising and think they are doing the best they can given their demographics. I ask people to be patient with C4L. It really thinks it is using tried and true methods. It's methods may not appeal to us, but historically, there is some indication that they do indeed work. As time changes, hopefully the C4L methods will improve.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I am not employed by C4L

I highly doubt Matt is employed by C4L. He may be a state chair, assistant state chair or maybe he was in the past. These are all volunteer positions where the person in them loses money and time. I think Matt means well...

 

[ninepointfive]

I think Matt means well...

Do you read his posts?

 

[Keith and stuff]

Do you read his posts?

OK, ok

 

[NoOneButPaul]

There's a difference between marketing and just plain stupidity.

I've also gotten somewhere in the nature of 6-7 emails/piece of mail that have said the EXACT SAME THING.

There's no reason to bombard people like that. I got the first email and I don't need 6 more...