Campaign for Liberty solicitations

[Matt Collins]

I'm just saying that they could have worded the question better.

I don't disagree

 

[sailingaway]

I don't disagree

I agree too. They had a similar statement on Ron's webpage and I messaged about it. They said it was no problem, but later had to answer it in the media.

My main issue is we don't know where it is going, though. True liberty or 'mainstream conservative club for growth' because I'm just not interested in that.

but I'm behind it now, hoping it will showcase Ron and the movement philosophy.

 

[VictorB]

Have you met either of them? Have you worked for either of them personally? Do you even know what they do?

I have not. What I have heard how these two treated Peter Schiff and Tom Woods, and that is coming directly from the mouths of Schiff and Woods.

Woods said he was willing to work for free for the campaign, but was turned down. That is why he went to join RevPAC for free. The guy was never looking for a dime and the official campaign didn't want him.

 

[Matt Collins]

I have not. What I have heard how these two treated Peter Schiff and Tom Woods, and that is coming directly from the mouths of Schiff and Woods.

Have you ever gotten the other side of the story on that?

If not you might consider doing so.

Woods said he was willing to work for free for the campaign, but was turned down. That is why he went to join RevPAC for free. The guy was never looking for a dime and the official campaign didn't want him.

Tom and Peter are both brilliant guys in their respective fields, but they have a political blind spot. Perhaps that's why?

 

[Maltheus]

If you were involved in the organization then you would know that isn't true. Have you ever met with your state coordinator?

I have. Our state coordinator, Matt Holdridge, is a lying, backstabbing POS. On his best day, he's merely incompetant. He promoted mostly Santorum delegates for national, and then greatly inflated our numbers to make it seem like Colorado was a contender for one of the plurality states (when we barely had 1/6 of the delegates). I've personally witnessed him assure a roomful of 60 state delegates that he would support their slate of Ron Paul supporters, only to pretend like he never heard about it later, while sending people around to torpedo us and tell Ron Paulers to vote for Romney delegates. He's been worse than any neocon we've ever dealt with.

Many of us have repeatedly tried raised flags over this since April, and all the CFL did was promote him. As for Tate, he treats the liberty movement like a top-down organization, rather than the grassroots movement it is. And Benton has put a stink on the organization that will never wash out. Don't know why anybody would waste their time or money on them. They've already squandered what little political capital they had. Now, it's just welfare system for low-level political hacks.

 

[Matt Collins]

I have. Our state coordinator, Matt Holdridge, is a lying, backstabbing POS. On his best day, he's merely incompetant. He promoted mostly Santorum delegates for national, and then greatly inflated our numbers to make it seem like Colorado was a contender for one of the plurality states (when we barely had 1/6 of the delegates). I've personally witnessed him assure a roomful of 60 state delegates that he would support their slate of Ron Paul supporters, only to pretend like he never heard about it later, while sending people around to torpedo us and tell Ron Paulers to vote for Romney delegates. He's been worse than any neocon we've ever dealt with.

I am friends with Holdridge and worked with him during the first half of the Campaign, and I tend to doubt all of this negative talk about him.

As for Tate, he treats the liberty movement like a top-down organization, rather than the grassroots movement it is.

There has to be some top-down organization, just as there has to be some bottom-up grass. The two are mutually dependent.

And Benton has put a stink on the organization that will never wash out. Don't know why anybody would waste their time or money on them. They've already squandered what little political capital they had. Now, it's just welfare system for low-level political hacks.

lol, you don't have a clue what you're talking about here.

 

[Maltheus]

I am friends with Holdridge and worked with him during the first half of the Campaign, and I tend to doubt all of this negative talk about him.

Doubt what you want. Those are the undisputed facts. There are dozens of people who witnessed him assure CD5 that he would support the Ron Paulers they chose, and then he turned around and pushed a slate of nothing but Santorum people, lying about his previous involvement. That's not in dispute by anyone other than your friend and I have a room full of 60 people to back me up. And when one of our delegates called him a traitor on FB, he actually had the gall to "like it".

As for inflating the numbers, didn't you ever wonder why Colorado was considered a contender for a plurality state, when we only had 1/6th of the delegates? Pretty big disconnect, huh? It's not like Holdridge didn't know these people were all Santorum supporters (who of course, all ended up voting for Romney). He just presented it that way. We don't need phonies like that in the liberty movement.

 

[torchbearer]

The C4L, like any organization, is what you make of it. If you put a lot of effort into it, you'll get a lot of out it.

same goes for the LP. and everytime someone bitches about their nominee, i ask myself- what has this person done to contribute?