Breaking: Paris shootings and explosions near Stade de France kill 129

[PaleoPaul]

The word is these are people who lived in France, went to Syria, got trained and returned to reign terror.

I've always been for staying out of the business of other countries and not policing the world, but I have reached the point that serious measures now need to be taken against ISIS or this will just continue in countries around the world - including the U.S.

At this point, it's time. We need to put together a multi-national force, have an up and down vote in Congress to declare war - and declare war against ISIS and go all out in Iraq/Syria. Full invasion. Scorched earth. Wipe them out - and then leave. They come back like cockroaches, go back in and wipe them out and leave. Repeat and rinse until they decide to live peaceful lives.

Three words: Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The word is these are people who lived in France, went to Syria, got trained and returned to reign terror.

I've always been for staying out of the business of other countries and not policing the world, but I have reached the point that serious measures now need to be taken against ISIS or this will just continue in countries around the world - including the U.S.

At this point, it's time. We need to put together a multi-national force, have an up and down vote in Congress to declare war - and declare war against ISIS and go all out in Iraq/Syria. Full invasion. Scorched earth. Wipe them out - and then leave. They come back like cockroaches, go back in and wipe them out and leave. Repeat and rinse until they decide to live peaceful lives.

No chance of that. War is waged by lawyers in the West.

 

[tmg19103]

No chance of that. War is waged by lawyers in the West.

True, but it is what I would do.

Will be interesting to see how Rand handles this. He has been gaining traction the last week, but this is considered his weak point in the eyes of most voters. I'd like to see him follow my suggestion. Honestly, unless we go in and wipe ISIS out, it is only a matter of time until hundreds of Americans are killed in such a manner. ISIS just threatened to do this to Russia. Not many countries in the world that would not support going in.

 

[puppetmaster]

im 99.9% certain that even armed citizens would be able to stop or mitigate a sophisticated and well planned terror attack.

smaller scale shootings, yes, but not something of this magnitude.

please....

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

True, but it is what I would do.

Will be interesting to see how Rand handles this. He has been gaining traction the last week, but this is considered his weak point in the eyes of most voters. I'd like to see him follow my suggestion. Honestly, unless we go in and wipe ISIS out, it is only a matter of time until hundreds of Americans are killed in such a manner. ISIS just threatened to do this to Russia. Not many countries in the world that would not support going in.

It's a hard issue for pragmatic libertarians.

I've always said there's only two things to do when it comes to ISIS:

1. Pull out of the region completely and let it sort itself out
2. Total war. They want it to be the 7th century? Then we wage war like it's the fucking 7th century, with modern military technology.

Neither will happen, and this conflict will be long, drawn out and horrendous.

 

[puppetmaster]

Hey I wonder what country of origin were the weapons.

 

[osan]

Extremists suck. What is it with these people? They have a horrible game plan if you ask me.

Clearly you do not understand their world view. I agree with you that it is horrible, but that and $3.75 gets you an Allahu Akbar latté at Muhammedbucks.

I have friends who have spent their entire adult lives in the middle east. I have muslim relatives (through marriage). They will all tell you the same thing: muslims are warrior people with an agenda and they WILL NOT BE STOPPED by any means other than outright physical force. Yes yes... most muslims are lazy ignorant assholes who have never read Qur'an and simply do as their mullahs tell them and are mostly harmless... at least so far. But there are still millions who are at least on the fence with regard to the whole jihad deal and many others who are hard core about it. Those people will never stop until you kill them. The perceptual landscape upon which their minds rest is very different from yours and mine. We could go on for hundreds of pages describing how this is so. Suffice to say that they do not see the world in the same way as do you. Expecting them to understand the folly of their world view is about as fruitful an endeavor as putting a gold fish before an 11' Bösendorfer and asking it to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. It simply is not going to happen.

In a sense, we are dealing with a different species of animal and must either be consumed by them, or understand the truth and proceed accordingly.

 

[freejack]

Hey I wonder what country of origin were the weapons.

If they were US made we will probably never be told about it.

 

[navy-vet]

im 99.9% certain that even armed citizens would be able to stop or mitigate a sophisticated and well planned terror attack.

smaller scale shootings, yes, but not something of this magnitude.

smh....

 

[Origanalist]

Didn't Trump say he did want to let refugees in?

He did and flipped position in a day if I remember right.

 

[Origanalist]

It's a hard issue for pragmatic libertarians.

I've always said there's only two things to do when it comes to ISIS:

1. Pull out of the region completely and let it sort itself out
2. Total war. They want it to be the 7th century? Then we wage war like it's the fucking 7th century, with modern military technology.

Neither will happen, and this conflict will be long, drawn out and horrendous.

Entirely on purpose.

 

[HVACTech]

It's a hard issue for pragmatic libertarians.

I've always said there's only two things to do when it comes to ISIS:

1. Pull out of the region completely and let it sort itself out
2. Total war. They want it to be the 7th century? Then we wage war like it's the fucking 7th century, with modern military technology.

Neither will happen, and this conflict will be long, drawn out and horrendous.

3.
isolate all Islamic countries. zero travel or trade both to and from.
let them clean up their own act.

 

[Origanalist]

im 99.9% certain that even armed citizens would be able to stop or mitigate a sophisticated and well planned terror attack.

smaller scale shootings, yes, but not something of this magnitude.

Did you fix your own post or just not write what you meant?

 

[osan]

Merkel is a moron, but I don't think she's crazy.

This seems a distinction without a difference.

I'm not dismissing anything, but this tragedy is already the worst thing to ever happen to the EU.

But not to Europe. The EU is an infant. It's not been around long enough to have had anything really bad happen to it. If this is the worst that ever happens, the EU will be need to be grateful. Seventy years ago, the entire continent was flattened and tens of millions of people were dead. They should have learned the lessons, but they failed, and in spectacular style no less.

It wouldn't be in their interest, and claiming the officials are crazy doesn't justify anything.

In YOUR mind perhaps - and even mine. But when you're in a psychotic state, you may see things very differently. And let us be crystal clear that "psychotic states" can be very subtle. In fact, the line between psychosis and mental soundness can be very blurry in cases. People fuck-up all the time, often because they thought "it was a good idea" when in fact it was a really shitty one. So right there you have two prime and common reasons for failure: detachment from reality and unsound logic.

To assume sound perception and intellectual competence sufficient to see the best paths forward is about as great an error as one can make in such affairs as this sort of analysis.

 

[A. Havnes]

Body count is now 140 dead. Internet talk radio (Michael Rivero) speculated on the "cui bono?' aspects of this, noting the timing of it coming on the eve of the Vienna meeting Saturday between nations to discuss the Syria situation. The meeting will doubtless now be dominated by appeals to step up the battle against ISIS terrorists based on this incident, and getting all parties to either go with a ceasefire, or a settlement on US terms (everybody agrees to have US in charge, Assad must go, Russia and Iran must go, etc.).

This is my biggest fear, politically, in regard to these attacks. As they say, "Never waste a good crisis." I'm afraid the US will take this opportunity to launch us into yet another war that will deplete our own economy, and there will be no cooperation with Russia in the matter.

On that note, take a look at this! http://www.investing.com/news/world-news/obama-moves-to-accelerate-syrian-refugee-plan-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-371265

So, as France closes its borders, Obama decides to open our wide up? I'm not denying that there are legitimate refugees who are fleeing this type of brutality and chaos, but caution should always be exercised! If I were a refugee, I know I'd like to get in ASAP. I understand that POV completely. However, with France already considering a sort of Patriot Act of its own in the wake of these attacks, allowing refugees in would mean having to violate their civil rights to ensure the safety of our own citizens.

It's like being caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[devil21]

/in b4 some conspiracy kook says "Paris attax r a hoax!"

I don't know where to start with that comment. It's so ripe! Having said that, I don't think this is a hoax, per se, but never trust the owned and controlled media to tell the truth. There's a reason the msm is known as a mouthpiece for government agendas. Be wary of claims and don't blindly follow whatever they dish out.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The word is these are people who lived in France, went to Syria, got trained and returned to reign terror.

I've always been for staying out of the business of other countries and not policing the world, but I have reached the point that serious measures now need to be taken against ISIS or this will just continue in countries around the world - including the U.S.

At this point, it's time. We need to put together a multi-national force, have an up and down vote in Congress to declare war - and declare war against ISIS and go all out in Iraq/Syria. Full invasion. Scorched earth. Wipe them out - and then leave. They come back like cockroaches, go back in and wipe them out and leave. Repeat and rinse until they decide to live peaceful lives.

Explain to me why one would need to go all the way to Syria to learn how to shoot, or pull a grenade pin, etc?

^^^rhetorical question

In fact, terrorists do not require training camps out in the desert somewhere (though they make for good television).

Going about the world destroying "safe havens" is pure nonsense; terrorism does not require such safe havens, and their loss will have no impact.

All you can really do about terrorism is redouble normal domestic security measures.

...I stress normal, as in "not requiring violations of the Bill of Rights."

 

[RandPaul4Prez]

So did this event just put Trump in office?

 

[TheTexan]

3.
isolate all Islamic countries. zero travel or trade both to and from.
let them clean up their own act.

Yes, anyone with a Muslim Passport should be blocked from entry to the United States of America

This alone would reduce terrorism by 87.5%

 

[Peace&Freedom]

3.
isolate all Islamic countries. zero travel or trade both to and from.
let them clean up their own act.

4. Recognize ISIS is another puppet enemy, created/funded/trained/equipped by US/UK/Mossad, to justify the war on terror and non-stop meddling in the Middle East.