Boston guy who works full time but can't afford rent kicked out of shelter in favor migrants

[Anti Federalist]

I pretty much stopped caring so much, I am pretty well set. It does no good trying to get across to the masses, so whatever you guys want, unfortunately you will get. Don't blame me, I at least tried.

May you and others march on to the drum beat.......

No offense, AF, other than politics, you're still ok ;-)

We're solid on most politics as well.

I've never been in favor of open immigration and never will be.

You can find 15 year old posts of mine on here arguing this point.

We just don't see eye to eye on it...if we can somehow maintain a high trust, homogenous and relatively free society, it won't matter much.

 

[RJB]

I pretty much stopped caring so much, I am pretty well set. It does no good trying to get across to the masses, so whatever you guys want, unfortunately you will get. Don't blame me, I at least tried.

May you and others march on to the drum beat.......

No offense, AF, other than politics, you're still ok ;-)

Oh, how blessed we masses are for your great sacrifice and wisdom ha ha!

 

[PAF]

Lol. That's why I don't take you seriously. ^^^ That is the most left right, neocon, fascist, commie, (whatever other condescending terms that you throw around) scripted narrative that I have ever seen on this forum. You are far more guilty of everything that you accuse others on this forum.

Seriously, your original handle was something like "patriotic American first" or something or something silly. Were you being sarcastic or were you trying to blend in like a zippyjuan 3.0 and realized you had to change tactics.

It was actually ProudAmericanFirst, even going back to the DailyPaul. That was when I first took an interest in politics and campaigned nationally for Ron Paul. I have grown immensely since then, realizing that liberty only comes from within, and that government no matter how well intended will ever fix the problems that it created.

The problem is, the rest of the country, even some so-called RP "supporters", stopped learning and growing.

I believe in FULLY DEFUNDING the state/fed, whereas, you and most people believe to the contrary, and in fact are responsible for its growth.

 

[PAF]

We're solid on most politics as well.

I've never been in favor of open immigration and never will be.

You can find 15 year old posts of mine on here arguing this point.

We just don't see eye to eye on it...if we can somehow maintain a high trust, homogenous and relatively free society, it won't matter much.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I just can't see more of my dollars going to NGO's, and private/public government contracts actually not wanting to cure the problem. In fact, they both feed off of each other in order to line their own pockets, on the backs of Americans, which will ultimately lead to a police state, and everybody being tracked every step of their lives. I see the food costs/shortage as well, because Americans won't work the jobs the immigrants had out in the fields, and the globalist corporations will soon take over.

 

[acptulsa]

You regularly display your utter disdain for my neighbors and countrymen...

... who honestly did get us into this mess...

...while speaking lovingly about criminal invaders. I can see you want everything to collapse and hate the foundations of " 'mericah".

And you expect me to consider a long post where you are pretending that you want my neighbors to succeed. Yeah, lol, sure. .

Republicans didn't stop this from happening in the first place, not by a long shot. Will they stop it? Will they stop funding the nonprofits frog-marching them in? Sure, as long as we give up liberty on a scale that will make Dubya blush that he didn't go ahead and screw us harder than he did with the PATRIOT Act. And, of course, if we're cooperative enough to bleed in the streets and die at a higher rate than even the rate of myocarditis.

It'll even give them an excuse to come for the survivors' guns.

Your Republicans are setting us all up to be gladiators in this ring. The depopulation agenda is about to go down a whole new path.

It's a fucking setup.

You really don't have to walk into a trap eyes wide open just to make a statement. But nobody can even envision a majority of the country saying, you know what? Not stepping in the trap. We're agreeing on somebody who isn't a proven loser. If these two parties want us to relive one of the two worst presidents in history, then we're all going to pick a third party and crash it.

People can't even envision it, in spite of the obvious trap before us.

Congress has a 19% approval rating and 81% of them get reelected. Been going on for decades. Who did you say it was again who wants everything to collapse? The people driving America to collapse are in Washington. Trump started the currency collapse, and funded that bioscience experiment. Biden drove us to the brink in every way conceivable. Trump's about to trash the Constitution and be cheered for it. Don't tell me it's all PAF's fault.

 

[RJB]

It was actually ProudAmericanFirst, even going back to the DailyPaul. That was when I first took an interest in politics and campaigned nationally for Ron Paul. I have grown immensely since then, realizing that liberty only comes from within, and that government no matter how well intended will ever fix the problems that it created.

The problem is, the rest of the country, even some so-called RP "supporters", stopped learning and growing.

I believe in FULLY DEFUNDING the state/fed, whereas, you and most people believe to the contrary, and in fact are responsible for its growth.

The bold is a flat out lie, as usual. I do NOT dislike you or "take it personally." I just don't take those who speak without any attempt to be truthful seriously. You are more concerned with shaming and shutting down any opposition with any means necessary, truth be damned if necessary. I see too much of that on the MSM and I have no patience for it in real life, even on a forum.

Have the last word. Like I said on another thread, I see no point in discussing anything with someone who lacks integrity.

 

[PAF]

...

Whatever whatever. Anyway...

[MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] summed it up perfectly in Post #65.

 

[RJB]

... who honestly did get us into this mess...



Republicans didn't stop this from happening in the first place, not by a long shot. Will they stop it? Will they stop funding the nonprofits frog-marching them in? Sure, as long as we give up liberty on a scale that will make Dubya blush that he didn't go ahead and screw us harder than he did with the PATRIOT Act. And, of course, if we're cooperative enough to bleed in the streets and die at a higher rate than even the rate of myocarditis.

It'll even give them an excuse to come for the survivors' guns.

Your Republicans are setting us all up to be gladiators in this ring. The depopulation agenda is about to go down a whole new path.

It's a fucking setup.

You really don't have to walk into a trap eyes wide open just to make a statement. But nobody can even envision a majority of the country saying, you know what? Not stepping in the trap. We're agreeing on somebody who isn't a proven loser. If these two parties want us to relive one of the two worst presidents in history, then we're all going to pick a third party and crash it.

People can't even envision it, in spite of the obvious trap before us.

Congress has a 19% approval rating and 81% of them get reelected. Been going on for decades. Who did you say it was again who wants everything to collapse? The people driving America to collapse are in Washington. Trump started the currency collapse, and funded that bioscience experiment. Biden drove us to the brink in every way conceivable. Trump's about to trash the Constitution and be cheered for it. Don't tell me it's all PAF's fault.

What are you saying? For one thing I am not a Republican nor maga. I am more like Tod Evans. I'm a country boy who just wants to be left the fuck alone, and no one wants to leave me alone.

Second, are you saying that I should hate my neighbor? Quit being a grumpy old man. Sheesh.

I live in an agorist's paradise. In ten years I haven't seen a cop on my street. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters. My kids can leave their bikes on the front yard over night. I want to keep it that way. Politics aside, I love my neighbors more than I love some snot on the Internet who dishonestly calls me a neocon.

20 minutes away in downtown, every damn window, and I mean every window was shattered or boarded up during the summer of 2020. To have a good place to live you need people with good morals. I will keep my neighbors, flaws and all, thank you very much!

 

[PAF]

I live in an agorist's paradise......I'm surrounded by Trump supporters.

Bwahhhhh hahahahahaha!!!!!!! That's ^^ Golden!!!!!

 

[RJB]

Bwahhhhh hahahahahaha!!!!!!! That's ^^ Golden!!!!!

I can't spoon feed you, but you should read up on agorism

 

[PAF]

I can't spoon feed you, but you should read up on agorism

RJB.....you're too much lol! At least you are the first person who made me laugh today!

Agorist = defund state.

Trump = spent more money ($8+ Trillion) than every president in history combined.

 

[susano]

It's the attitude "nothing is fair but I think it needs to be stopped" [in a democracy] that got us into the situation that we are currently in. Of course, it has been this way for thousands of years, so at that point, enjoy and embrace the conditions that sheople have made it. Just as government is not and never will be there to save you, there is no such thing as a perfect life.

7 billion people could easily fit in a Texas-sized city that is as dense as New York City. That's an awful lot of land in the rest of the world. Buy low, sell high and move on. Also, without government, eminent domain wouldn't be and issue, natural market conditions would most likely solve the problems.

Do you have ideas for how to prevent gigantic investment firms from buying up housing stock and driving prices sky high? Or, perhaps, you don't think it's a problem (?).

 

[PAF]

Do you have ideas for how to prevent gigantic investment firms from buying up housing stock and driving prices sky high? Or, perhaps, you don't think it's a problem (?).

There are many articles but here's one for starters:

https://mises.org/wire/unraveling-fallacy-natural-monopolies

 

[Brian4Liberty]

David Stockman talks about that:

TMBSDR

(Too much bullshit. Didn't read.)

Synopsis: In order to keep the social security pyramid scheme going, we need more and more workers to pay into the system. Quite the noble cause.

I understand allowing millions of half wits to invade us from nations that have an average IQ of below 80 is not going to solve what Stockman thinks is a problem.

His goal is for them to pay taxes, so they just need to be able to work and pay those taxes.

I would add that adding more workers is, at the surface, a way to offset the (price) inflationary effects of monetary inflation (an idea championed by Alan Greenspan). It intentionally leads to relative wage deflation, in the face of everything else inflating. This, in turn, leads directly back to the OP of this thread, and the root cause of the dilemma of low wages and high prices.

Of course this also results in moving wealth from the working class to the elite plutocracy. That would be purely unintentional though...

 

[PAF]

Synopsis: In order to keep the social security pyramid scheme going, we need more and more workers to pay into the system. Quite the noble cause.



His goal is for them to pay taxes, so they just need to be able to work and pay those taxes.

I would add that adding more workers is, at the surface, a way to offset the (price) inflationary effects of monetary inflation (an idea championed by Alan Greenspan). It intentionally leads to relative wage deflation, in the face of everything else inflating. This, in turn, leads directly back to the OP of this thread, and the root cause of the dilemma of low wages and high prices.

Of course this also results in moving wealth from the working class to the elite plutocracy. That would be purely unintentional though...

For the record, I never said that I advocated that. What struck me in the article was the the potential decline of population here in the U.S., which can potentially lead to other issues.

My solution remains consistent; end the welfare state, stop spending, demand an end to taxation. Short of that, well, ain't nothin' gonna change anyway, so what's the difference.

 

[RJB]

For the record, I never said that I advocated that. What struck me in the article was the the potential decline of population here in the U.S., which can potentially lead to other issues.

My solution remains consistent; end the welfare state, stop spending, demand an end to taxation. Short of that, well, ain't nothin' gonna change anyway, so what's the difference.

LOL. You lecture me on what agorism as yet you posted an article defending the Social Security fraud? Ha ha ha speaking of a different narrative...

A few times in the past you have mention supporting RFK (who is as much of an agorist as Trump) and using lefty talking points to win over democrats to the freedom movement. However, I suspect that it's the other way around, because that post seems like a slip up expressing your true feelings on imigration.

 

[PAF]

LOL. You lecture me on what agorism as yet you posted an article defending the Social Security fraud? Ha ha ha speaking of a different narrative...

A few times in the past you have mention supporting RFK (who is as much of an agorist as Trump) and using lefty talking points to win over democrats to the freedom movement. However, I suspect that it's the other way around, because that post seems like a slip up expressing your true feelings on imigration.

I did in fact state several times that I support RFK Jr. on topics such as vaccines, crony corporatism/lobbyists, companies who dump toxic chemicals on public land, etc. I also did in fact state several times that I do not vote, so no vote for him or anybody else.

I read. A lot. Whether it fits my narrative or not. This way, I learn, ponder and think, so that I don't have to take some republican/democrat word for things. Because though some things are indeed black and white, what's the world without color, and my individual rights?

 

[susano]

There are many articles but here's one for starters:

https://mises.org/wire/unraveling-fallacy-natural-monopolies

I don't think that addresses this problem, other than kind of generally. No doubt there are all kinds of government fictions (incorporation) and regulations that pertain to the financial industry but Blackrock, Vanguard, et al, don't make anything. They consolidate and control other people's money by investing it. The root of the money game lies with the creation of the Fed and debt (as) money. Yes, the Fed needs to go, as do corporations. The problem I see there is that's not likely to happen any time soon so what to do, now, about them buying up property? To say that nothing can be done until the root causes are fixed will mean the resulting harm isn't addressed, right now. Much like the ferals committing violent crime. Over 90% of men in prison had single mothers so we know that the destruction of the nuclear family with the welfare state created that (to a large extent). But, we can't wait to unwind/abolish that to deal with result - violent ferals committing crimes. They have to be arrested and removed from society (and I realize even that isn't being done anymore!).

 

[RJB]

I read. A lot.

You do realize that you are not the only one on the forum who reads, like, a lot? You do realize that there are people who don't fall for a left right paradigm, but might disagree with you?

As for that article, that's why I quit reading. If you do read a lot, there are better articles out there to defend an agorist's view. If a neocon or a progressive posted it, I would have read it more in depth to have a thoughtful discussion with someone who actually believes what they profess. But when A person presenting himself as an agorist posts an article claiming we need more tax payers to survive as a nation ( a nation you claim to despise) I feel like I am getting punked.

 

[PAF]

I don't think that addresses this problem, other than kind of generally. No doubt there are all kinds of government fictions (incorporation) and regulations that pertain to the financial industry but Blackrock, Vanguard, et al, don't make anything. They consolidate and control other people's money by investing it. The root of the money game lies with the creation of the Fed and debt (as) money. Yes, the Fed needs to go, as do corporations. The problem I see there is that's not likely to happen any time soon so what to do, now, about them buying up property? To say that nothing can be done until the root causes are fixed will mean the resulting harm isn't addressed, right now. Much like the ferals committing violent crime. Over 90% of men in prison had single mothers so we know that the destruction of the nuclear family with the welfare state created that (to a large extent). But, we can't wait to unwind/abolish that to deal with result - violent ferals committing crimes. They have to be arrested and removed from society (and I realize even that isn't being done anymore!).

I planned on buying property just south of Tulum to spend the rest of my retirement. Land that hasn't been touched in many, many decades, lo and behold, just when I am ready to buy, I am reading articles that real estate "tycoons" are buying up and plan to build resorts from Tulum down to the Belize border. So, I either stay put where I am in my home, or look at other places. The adventurer that I am, I will be traveling in a few weeks to look at other areas both in and out of this country. If it doesn't pan out I'll find something else or something to do that will entertain me ;-)

Back to your question; do some searches on Mises.org to maybe get a better understanding. Until the American people actually want a change toward freedom and liberty, there is little that can be done, so try to live the best that you can as happily as you can