Boston guy who works full time but can't afford rent kicked out of shelter in favor migrants

[susano]

https://twitter.com/BurkcoEyes/status/1752840278929543618

Not one but two big issues there. Notice he says he works 43 hours per week and cannot afford to live in the city he was born and raised in. How is this problem addressed, in a libertarian or free market kind of way? These insane rents and housing prices are a major problem all over the country and it's a combination of pay that's too low and flat out greed on the part of those jacking up rent. This is the kind thing that creates the conditions for people to demand socialism and communism so it needs to be addressed.

 

[acptulsa]

You can't create too much fiat money and destroy the value of it by creating too much supply and demand (that's what, is in fact about the one and only factor that, causes prices to inflate, devaluing the currency by creating more) if you declare no fiat currency.

Let people use what they want for trade and barter, and when something loses value that won't screw everyone.

How does the guy this forum's named for address it? End the Federal Reserve. It doesn't fix any of the things they say it fixes in civics class. It enables wars. They're using it to break us.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It makes perfect sense dude.

This is not your home or country anymore.

Not mine either. Oh sure, I've planned and saved and worked smarter, but it's only a matter of time until I'm washed away by the unwholesome flood as well.

Homes are a limited resource.

Even if you were to remove every single government roadblock, it still takes time to build a home, let alone a high rise apartment complex.

The market was tight in 2020.

This administration has allowed 10 million or more people to invade us in just three years.

That is more than the population of 40 out of 50 states.

They all gotta live somewhere too.

In Massachusetts, you passed a law that makes it mandatory that the invaders get housing, before you.

Limited supply and rapidly increasing demand due to invasion and, well, now you are no longer economically viable, brother.

Sorry, I did do my best to try and stop it, but I was called a racist and a bigot and a xenophobe and could not get anybody to listen.

See you in the streets in a few years.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

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Not one but two big issues there. Notice he says he works 43 hours per week and cannot afford to live in the city he was born and raised in. How is this problem addressed, in a libertarian or free market kind of way? These insane rents and housing prices are a major problem all over the country and it's a combination of pay that's too low and flat out greed on the part of those jacking up rent.

Those are but symptoms. It's like saying your problem is a cough or fever. What is the actual cause?

The cause is clear, and it is always dictated by supply and demand. Monetary inflation (increased supply) causes prices to go up. Prices for landlords go up with inflation, thus that has to be passed on to tenants, or it is no longer profitable. Blame that on the money printing Fed and big spending government.

Wages are based on supply and demand. Import new workers, more of a labor supply, less demand, lower wages. Outsourcing production and other jobs reduces demand, once again lowering wages.

It's a one two punch that is the direct cause of this situation.

This is the kind thing that creates the conditions for people to demand socialism and communism so it needs to be addressed.

And isn't that convenient? The same politicians, "leaders" and deciders who created the problem in the first place must be given more power to address the problem that they created in the first place. Problem, reaction, solution.

Biden opening the door to massive immigration is a prime example. Don't worry, they'll raise minimum wage by a dollar and spend more money, taking a cut for themselves the entire time.

 

[Invisible Man]

Notice he says he works 43 hours per week and cannot afford to live in the city he was born and raised in. How is this problem addressed, in a libertarian or free market kind of way?

He moves somewhere he can afford to live.

Also, the problem of high rent is caused by government interferences in the free market in the first place.

 

[oyarde]

ive never only worked 43 hours a week in my life before I retired. I work 3 days a week at my retirement job and put in about a 33 hr week. He needs another job and he needs to move out of a shithole city where rent isnt quite as high ( I know , high everywhere). Were he is living is chock full of evil communists who would rather have the new invaders than him. Sooner he escapes the better his quality of life will be. he just needs a go fund me to get outta town.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/BurkcoEyes/status/1752840278929543618

Not one but two big issues there. Notice he says he works 43 hours per week and cannot afford to live in the city he was born and raised in. How is this problem addressed, in a libertarian or free market kind of way? These insane rents and housing prices are a major problem all over the country and it's a combination of pay that's too low and flat out greed on the part of those jacking up rent. This is the kind thing that creates the conditions for people to demand socialism and communism so it needs to be addressed.

I've been screaming this for years.

Her whining and vocal fry grates my nerves, but this is exactly the type of person that would embrace full blown communism because "free housing".

https://twitter.com/i/status/1753501320328483185

flat out greed on the part of those jacking up rent.

Would you rent a property to somebody and not expect at least a little profit?

Rentals work on the thinnest of margins: by the time you pay taxes, insurance, maintenance, HOA, condo or other fees, mortgages and so on, your profit will be under 10 percent, maybe less. Property taxes on a small home in many urban areas are $1000 a month right out of the box. Many people simply look to break even, to pay the mortgage.

And we cannot dodge government monetary devaluation by shipping a bunch of inexpensive shoddy houses in containers from Communist China or East Fuckistan, like we have been able to do with every other smaller consumer item, from baby shoes to car parts.

We tried, and the Commies shipped us drywall full of toxic chemicals.

 

[familydog]

https://twitter.com/BurkcoEyes/status/1752840278929543618

Not one but two big issues there. Notice he says he works 43 hours per week and cannot afford to live in the city he was born and raised in. How is this problem addressed, in a libertarian or free market kind of way?

Just move, bro. Forget about your lineage, tradition, family, heritage and community, bro. It's just a pile of dirt, bro. Roots are overrated. Don't be so dense, bro.

 

[susano]

I've been screaming this for years.

Her whining and vocal fry grates my nerves, but this is exactly the type of person that would embrace full blown communism because "free housing".

https://twitter.com/i/status/1753501320328483185

Would you rent a property to somebody and not expect at least a little profit?

Rentals work on the thinnest of margins: by the time you pay taxes, insurance, maintenance, HOA, condo or other fees, mortgages and so on, your profit will be under 10 percent, maybe less. Property taxes on a small home in many urban areas are $1000 a month right out of the box. Many people simply look to break even, to pay the mortgage.

And we cannot dodge government monetary devaluation by shipping a bunch of inexpensive shoddy houses in containers from Communist China or East $#@!istan, like we have been able to do with every other smaller consumer item, from baby shoes to car parts.

We tried, and the Commies shipped us drywall full of toxic chemicals.

While what I've read has not pertained to high density housing in cities, I've followed the subject of Blackrock and other investment behemoths buying up single family housing with the sole purpose of turning them into rentals and jacking up the rent. The use a formula for who they target which are young professionals with little kids looking for a good school district (that's a laugh) and a safe neighborhood. Once they get them in as renters, they raise the rent WAY up. Not because they aren't already making a profit but because they want more. Between the financial firms and Airbnb, the residential markets have shot sky high so there's nowhere else for the tenants to move if they want to keep their jobs. I read about a new suburban development in Texas where Blackrock or Vanguard went in and bought over half of the brand new homes. They use front companies, as well - those ones that send out the post cards saying they want to buy your house and will pay cash with no inspection. Their agents are at all of the auctions, as well, outbidding the small time house flippers, often paying ridiculous prices to gain control over a local market. I don't know if this is the case in big cities but I don't know why it wouldn't be. Of course, in the cities there's the additional advantage of nothing new being built to compete against. While rent prices certainly do go up (like everything else) because of inflation of the money supply, there is still the greed factor.

These big investors are playing Monopoly. I'm not sure but suppose the libertarian answer would so be "So what? They bought it, they own it and can do whatever they want and tough shit for those priced out". Is that right? What I'm saying is it WILL lead to demanding socialism/communism which will result in more high density building, outlawing single family zoning (a big thing with the Agenda 2030 plan) and stack 'n pack living in 15 minute cities without cars. Eat ze bugs and get in your pod, essentially. Where do libertarians come down on all of this? I suppose they oppose zoning, as well? Dunno. Are investment firms owning, in some cases, 40% of the local housing market considered "free market"?

 

[susano]

Just move, bro. Forget about your lineage, tradition, family, heritage and community, bro. It's just a pile of dirt, bro. Roots are overrated. Don't be so dense, bro.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying and asking if libertarians think this is consistent with whatever "free market" means. The issue of the illegals/migrants is on top of that. That man was in that shelter (I think he said he was paying to be there, too) before the invasion resulted in him getting kicked out because he can't afford anyplace else, even working full time, which is bullshit and will destroy society.

 

[Anti Federalist]

While what I've read has not pertained to high density housing in cities, I've followed the subject of Blackrock and other investment behemoths buying up single family housing with the sole purpose of turning them into rentals and jacking up the rent. The use a formula for who they target which are young professionals with little kids looking for a good school district (that's a laugh) and a safe neighborhood. Once they get them in as renters, they raise the rent WAY up. Not because they aren't already making a profit but because they want more. Between the financial firms and Airbnb, the residential markets have shot sky high so there's nowhere else for the tenants to move if they want to keep their jobs. I read about a new suburban development in Texas where Blackrock or Vanguard went in and bought over half of the brand new homes. They use front companies, as well - those ones that send out the post cards saying they want to buy your house and will pay cash with no inspection. Their agents are at all of the auctions, as well, outbidding the small time house flippers, often paying ridiculous prices to gain control over a local market. I don't know if this is the case in big cities but I don't know why it wouldn't be. Of course, in the cities there's the additional advantage of nothing new being built to compete against. While rent prices certainly do go up (like everything else) because of inflation of the money supply, there is still the greed factor.

These big investors are playing Monopoly. I'm not sure but suppose the libertarian answer would so be "So what? They bought it, they own it and can do whatever they want and tough shit for those priced out". Is that right? What I'm saying is it WILL lead to demanding socialism/communism which will result in more high density building, outlawing single family zoning (a big thing with the Agenda 2030 plan) and stack 'n pack living in 15 minute cities without cars. Eat ze bugs and get in your pod, essentially. Where do libertarians come down on all of this? I suppose they oppose zoning, as well? Dunno. Are investment firms owning, in some cases, 40% of the local housing market considered "free market"?

Touche' you make a valid point. I had approached that from the aspect of a small time property holder, not REITs and behemoths like Blackrock.

I guess it all comes back to sound money and value added manufacturing.

Without those two things, you cannot build a business or make a decent middle class wage.

And the stack-a-prole housing units and 15 minute cities and "eating ov zee bugsz" as always, is nothing new.

We're reverting back to the "company town" model, only run by government and much more controlled.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying and asking if libertarians think this is consistent with whatever "free market" means. The issue of the illegals/migrants is on top of that. That man was in that shelter (I think he said he was paying to be there, too) before the invasion resulted in him getting kicked out because he can't afford anyplace else, even working full time, which is bullshit and will destroy society.

Which is, of course, the goal.

 

[Invisible Man]

Just move, bro. Forget about your lineage, tradition, family, heritage and community, bro. It's just a pile of dirt, bro. Roots are overrated. Don't be so dense, bro.

Yes.

Sorry. But he lives in an expensive city that is what it is because of statism. A population of a million people squeezed into under 100 square miles as a result of central planning is not a recipe for a sustainable long term scenario where low income people can live there on the money they earn in 43 hours a week doing a low skilled job without handouts. If it was a place he could afford to live, it wouldn't be the Boston he knows with that lineage, heritage, family, and community he wants to have. This guy wants to have his cake and eat it too.

 

[Invisible Man]

While what I've read has not pertained to high density housing in cities, I've followed the subject of Blackrock and other investment behemoths buying up single family housing with the sole purpose of turning them into rentals and jacking up the rent. The use a formula for who they target which are young professionals with little kids looking for a good school district (that's a laugh) and a safe neighborhood. Once they get them in as renters, they raise the rent WAY up. Not because they aren't already making a profit but because they want more. Between the financial firms and Airbnb, the residential markets have shot sky high so there's nowhere else for the tenants to move if they want to keep their jobs. I read about a new suburban development in Texas where Blackrock or Vanguard went in and bought over half of the brand new homes. They use front companies, as well - those ones that send out the post cards saying they want to buy your house and will pay cash with no inspection. Their agents are at all of the auctions, as well, outbidding the small time house flippers, often paying ridiculous prices to gain control over a local market. I don't know if this is the case in big cities but I don't know why it wouldn't be. Of course, in the cities there's the additional advantage of nothing new being built to compete against. While rent prices certainly do go up (like everything else) because of inflation of the money supply, there is still the greed factor.

These big investors are playing Monopoly. I'm not sure but suppose the libertarian answer would so be "So what? They bought it, they own it and can do whatever they want and tough shit for those priced out". Is that right? What I'm saying is it WILL lead to demanding socialism/communism which will result in more high density building, outlawing single family zoning (a big thing with the Agenda 2030 plan) and stack 'n pack living in 15 minute cities without cars. Eat ze bugs and get in your pod, essentially. Where do libertarians come down on all of this? I suppose they oppose zoning, as well? Dunno. Are investment firms owning, in some cases, 40% of the local housing market considered "free market"?

Are you proposing something other than communism?

Because the way you're talking about greedy landlords and all that, you really sound like a communist to me.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Are you proposing something other than communism?

Because the way you're talking about greedy landlords and all that, you really sound like a communist to me.

No, unless I'm wrong, she is saying is this is how you get communism.

 

[susano]

No, unless I'm wrong, she is saying is this is how you get communism.

Yes, that's what I'm saying and I get sick of the black and white thinking that if one opposes greed and monopolies they must be a shitlib commie or something. I hate Marxism and have read a long first hand account, Leaves of a Russian Diary, of someone who lived through the Bolshevik revolution. Making it impossible for people earning an honest living to have a place to live is a recipe for that. His misery is legitimate and needs to be taken seriously. It seems to me that the libertarian response is "Too bad, so sad, buddy. Now move or get three jobs".
[MENTION=75029]Invisible Man[/MENTION]

 

[familydog]

Sorry. But he lives in an expensive city that is what it is because of statism. A population of a million people squeezed into under 100 square miles as a result of central planning is not a recipe for a sustainable long term scenario where low income people can live there on the money they earn in 43 hours a week doing a low skilled job without handouts. If it was a place he could afford to live, it wouldn't be the Boston he knows with that lineage, heritage, family, and community he wants to have. This guy wants to have his cake and eat it too.

I was more mocking the unempathetic attitude of libertarians more than I was mocking the practicality of moving. The lack of human connection expressed by them is why they will always be irrelevant.

 

[susano]

Yes.

Sorry. But he lives in an expensive city that is what it is because of statism. A population of a million people squeezed into under 100 square miles as a result of central planning is not a recipe for a sustainable long term scenario where low income people can live there on the money they earn in 43 hours a week doing a low skilled job without handouts. If it was a place he could afford to live, it wouldn't be the Boston he knows with that lineage, heritage, family, and community he wants to have. This guy wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Well, he grew up there so obviously had places he lived until now.

 

[susano]

I was more mocking the unempathetic attitude of libertarians more than I was mocking the practically of moving. The lack of human connection expressed by them is why they will always be irrelevant.

Completely agree. And, wtf kind of "free market" creates company towns?

 

[Invisible Man]

Well, he grew up there so obviously had places he lived until now.

Yes. Most recently a tax payer funded shelter. In his early years, his parents' home. If there was some earlier point in his adult life that he was able to afford to live in Boston on the money he was earning, I'm not sure which change that occurred between then and now resulted in his no longer being able to afford it, but whatever that change was, it was not that the city became a bastion of free market capitalism.