Bin Laden Killed? Who's buying it?

[remaxjon]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to hot topics? I know many of you here are really into the conspiracy stuff and think folks like myself are sheep and stupid and buy the government lies and all the other good things you say but most people don't think that way. If people stumble on this site from a search about Ron Paul and see this kind of poll they may never look at him again. I'm not saying that is right or smart or even what the majority would do but I know there is a good chance I would have back in 2007 if I knew so many conspiracy theory people were into Ron Paul. Just my opinion

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to hot topics? I know many of you here are really into the conspiracy stuff and think folks like myself are sheep and stupid and buy the government lies and all the other good things you say but most people don't think that way. If people stumble on this site from a search about Ron Paul and see this kind of poll they may never look at him again. I'm not saying that is right or smart or even what the majority would do but I know there is a good chance I would have back in 2007 if I knew so many conspiracy theory people were into Ron Paul. Just my opinion

You move to hot topics!

 

[pcosmar]

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... I believe this is known as cherry picking.

Not really, since it was known that he was being treated for a Terminal illness and without constant advanced medical treatment he would die.
And also, With Advanced Medical treatment is life expectancy was less than 5 years.
It is unlikely he survived hiding in caves for more than a month.

Certainly not for Ten years,
The US has been chasing a ghost and keeping that ghost alive to further it's aims.

 

[moostraks]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to hot topics? I know many of you here are really into the conspiracy stuff and think folks like myself are sheep and stupid and buy the government lies and all the other good things you say but most people don't think that way. If people stumble on this site from a search about Ron Paul and see this kind of poll they may never look at him again. I'm not saying that is right or smart or even what the majority would do but I know there is a good chance I would have back in 2007 if I knew so many conspiracy theory people were into Ron Paul. Just my opinion

No...because maybe some might want to see what truth if any lies within the issues which inspire those who are skeptical of the current media propaganda and will be thus inspired to research on their own just how many untruths the government has fed them through the very same media hype that is being worshiped right now. Using disparaging terms such as conspiracy theorist gives cover to the very same people who use obfuscatory reporting to confuse and frustrate the public into mindlessly cooperating with whatever authoritarian legislation they see fit to impose. By allowing open debate at least the subject can be disputed publicly on its merits rather than relegated to the dark crevices of a members only forum...

 

[remaxjon]

No...because maybe some might want to see what truth if any lies within the issues which inspire those who are skeptical of the current media propaganda and will be thus inspired to research on their own just how many untruths the government has fed them through the very same media hype that is being worshiped right now. Using disparaging terms such as conspiracy theorist gives cover to the very same people who use obfuscatory reporting to confuse and frustrate the public into mindlessly cooperating with whatever authoritarian legislation they see fit to impose. By allowing open debate at least the subject can be disputed publicly on its merits rather than relegated to the dark crevices of a members only forum...

I don't know how many times I said this on these forums in 2007 and others have also said many times does any of this help Ron Paul get elected? I don't think so. So often here people like yourself and many others have there own agenda to promote and that has nothing to do with political policy or helping liberty minded people get elected. The merits of a 9/11 conspiracy theory, the presidents birth cert, bin laden dead or alive, or if we have landed on the moon does not belong anywhere besides hot topics. This thread is general politics and debating a conspiracy theory is not politics.

 

[pcosmar]

This thread is general politics and debating a conspiracy theory is not politics.

NO,
This thread is discussing current news and affairs.
It is discussing the present political propaganda.

If you are unable to think past the lies being spewed, how are you going to come to a conclusion on who to vote for and why?

 

[remaxjon]

NO,
This thread is discussing current news and affairs.
It is discussing the present political propaganda.

If you are unable to think past the lies being spewed, how are you going to come to a conclusion on who to vote for and why?

this is a thread debating if the government is not telling the truth about the death of Bin Laden. That is a conspiracy theory thread. After Paul dropped out of the election I and many others left this forum because the truther stuff would just not go away. I'm back now because I want to help get Ron paul elected. This bin laden dead debate is just more truther stuff. No amount of evidence will ever satisfy many of you. Already there have been a ton of threads with this general theme. In my opinion these should all be moved. They are not political debates.

I can't tell you how many times I had to tell people in 2007 Ron Paul didn't think there was some kind of conspiracy on9/11. That I didn't think there was a conspiracy. This is more of that.

I don't enjoy being associated with you. I am because you are loud and feel a need to promote your own agenda. Main stream Republican voters don't like you and associate you with Ron Paul. Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones do not promote main stream political thought. Look at the way Rand was elected. He was elected because he avoided people like you like the plague. None of this debate is helpful.

 

[jmhudak17]

Not really, since it was known that he was being treated for a Terminal illness and without constant advanced medical treatment he would die.
And also, With Advanced Medical treatment is life expectancy was less than 5 years.
It is unlikely he survived hiding in caves for more than a month.

Certainly not for Ten years,
The US has been chasing a ghost and keeping that ghost alive to further it's aims.

It's cherry-picking based off of your own speculation (finding what fits into your theory).

 

[jmdrake]

this is a thread debating if the government is not telling the truth about the death of Bin Laden. That is a conspiracy theory thread. After Paul dropped out of the election I and many others left this forum because the truther stuff would just not go away. I'm back now because I want to help get Ron paul elected. This bin laden dead debate is just more truther stuff. No amount of evidence will ever satisfy many of you. Already there have been a ton of threads with this general theme. In my opinion these should all be moved. They are not political debates.

I can't tell you how many times I had to tell people in 2007 Ron Paul didn't think there was some kind of conspiracy on9/11. That I didn't think there was a conspiracy. This is more of that.

I don't enjoy being associated with you. I am because you are loud and feel a need to promote your own agenda. Main stream Republican voters don't like you and associate you with Ron Paul. Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones do not promote main stream political thought. Look at the way Rand was elected. He was elected because he avoided people like you like the plague. None of this debate is helpful.

Well I suppose you would be disappointed to find out that Ron Paul said the government is inviting the conspiracy theories in this case by not releasing evidence of OBLs death and that from a medical point of view what's being said about the DNA doesn't add up.

http://paulandventura2012.com/443/politics/ron-paul-on-the-death-of-osama-bin-laden/

“Why does our Government invite Conspiracy Theories all the time? I mean, why didn’t they show us pictures? No one questions Saddam Hussein’s death. They showed us pictures…… and I have a medical question, trying to confirm the timing. You know, I understand he was killed Sunday afternoon and by Sunday 9:00 it was announced that the President would speak, and they had DNA proof of the individual. To my knowledge, I didn’t know they could do DNA proof that quickly. Then they came back and they said well, we have facial features and we’ll get the results of the DNA later. It’s that confusion, and just hate to talk about it in detail until we know more about the information.”

 

[Travlyr]

I'm pretty sure that Ron Paul wants us to expose the truth ... that's what he has been doing for the last 50 years, or more.

 

[pcosmar]

It's cherry-picking based off of your own speculation (finding what fits into your theory).

No it is taking Known facts and separating the Media disinformation, and the government propaganda.

It was known that he was dying of Kidney failure and was on Dialysis. (with proper and constant care he had aprox 5 years)

The FBI after a full investigation could not connect him to 9/11 in any way. (ignored by the media)

The wars are not fighting "terrorists" but civil war in Iraq that we caused by removing Saddam, and tribes in Afghanistan that don't like foreign invaders in their country. (same as the Russians)

The "Osama Mastermind" myth has been kept going despite absolutely no evidence and no credible threat for years.
Several reported videos have been proven to be fake. The man hasn't been seen or heard from in 10 years.

 

[jmhudak17]

No it is taking Known facts and separating the Media disinformation, and the government propaganda.

It was known that he was dying of Kidney failure and was on Dialysis. (with proper and constant care he had aprox 5 years)

The FBI after a full investigation could not connect him to 9/11 in any way. (ignored by the media)

The wars are not fighting "terrorists" but civil war in Iraq that we caused by removing Saddam, and tribes in Afghanistan that don't like foreign invaders in their country. (same as the Russians)

The "Osama Mastermind" myth has been kept going despite absolutely no evidence and no credible threat for years.
Several reported videos have been proven to be fake. The man hasn't been seen or heard from in 10 years.

I don't know exactly how long Osama would have lived with the condition he had; I would need a doctor who actually examined him to say.

The FBI said they didn't have any hard evidence (fingerprints, DNA, paper trail, etc.). They never said they couldn't connect him in any way.

I'm against the Iraq War too, and I think we should have gone about hunting for Bin Laden in a different way that didn't involve trying to involve ourselves in nation building in Afghanistan.

Were any of these videos proven to be fake by a reputable source? Was there a consensus that the videos were fake? Did any experts say the videos were true?

 

[moostraks]

I don't know how many times I said this on these forums in 2007 and others have also said many times does any of this help Ron Paul get elected? I don't think so. So often here people like yourself and many others have there own agenda to promote and that has nothing to do with political policy or helping liberty minded people get elected. The merits of a 9/11 conspiracy theory, the presidents birth cert, bin laden dead or alive, or if we have landed on the moon does not belong anywhere besides hot topics. This thread is general politics and debating a conspiracy theory is not politics.

Why bother trolling general politics if it is not to pick fights and silence anyone who doesn't march to your drum? There is the Ron Paul 2012 section or you could form your own website strictly stating acceptable discussion material and see how it flies if we are so repugnant to your delicate sensibilities. By dismissing reports of documented media and military/government collusion which has being utilized to support previous war mongering as conspiracy theory (said with disgust of course as no sane person questions the veracity of the benevolent government) you are cutting the legs out from under the anti-war segment of the Paul campaign. No biggie since he happens to be the only true anti-war politician who has vocally stood against our imperialism AND put his self forth as a potential presidential candidate.

What brought you to support Dr.Paul? What has media done to prove itself worthy of acceptance to stories at face value? How has either the government or media proven itself trustworthy and without a hidden agenda? I have had my family nearly destroyed by lying, corrupt government agencies so you are darned right I am not willing to naively accept every cockamamie story put out from government sources. I accept any story put forth with extreme skepticism within the light of previous government behavior and who stands to benefit from this action at this time because I am not a rube. It would behoove people to be less trusting of the government.

 

[CuseRonPaul]

One of the things the Ron Paul movement is based on is questioning government. What is the point if you don't want us to, you know, question government? I've never subscribed to 9/11 conspiracies, though I absolutely believe the Bush and Clinton administrations knew way more than we're being told they did. But I don't buy the thermite or whatever story. Like you said, there is evidence against that. However, there is ZERO evidence other than Barack getting up in front of the country saying "this is what happened now let me drop a bunch of nationalist cliches for you all". Why is that evidence? Because he's Barack Obama? The reason I signed up for this forum the other night after this all went down was because I couldn't stomach the nationalism going on outside. I've been reading this forum for a while, and finally signed up because I wanted to talk about what was going on without being labeled an anti-American nutjob.

As for the idea that talking about this will turn people off to Ron Paul, that is complete and utter bullshit. A shitload of the country doesn't believe this. It isn't a scientific way to gauge public opinion, but look at comments on the story on Yahoo or the AP. People from all kinds of political backgrounds aren't buying the story. A lot of us on here know even the most ardent of Obama supporters who flat out don't believe a word of the story. Not only is there no evidence of Osama's body, not a single part of the story we're being told makes any sense.

 

[Teaser Rate]

this is a thread debating if the government is not telling the truth about the death of Bin Laden. That is a conspiracy theory thread. After Paul dropped out of the election I and many others left this forum because the truther stuff would just not go away. I'm back now because I want to help get Ron paul elected. This bin laden dead debate is just more truther stuff. No amount of evidence will ever satisfy many of you. Already there have been a ton of threads with this general theme. In my opinion these should all be moved. They are not political debates.

I can't tell you how many times I had to tell people in 2007 Ron Paul didn't think there was some kind of conspiracy on9/11. That I didn't think there was a conspiracy. This is more of that.

I don't enjoy being associated with you. I am because you are loud and feel a need to promote your own agenda. Main stream Republican voters don't like you and associate you with Ron Paul. Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones do not promote main stream political thought. Look at the way Rand was elected. He was elected because he avoided people like you like the plague. None of this debate is helpful.

Couldn't agree more. Those kinds of supporters are poison to any political campaign and should be purged from it as quickly as possible.

Unfortunately, Ron Paul seems to be unwilling to do this, as he keeps giving credibility to Alex Jones and his ilk by continuing to appear on his show on a regular basis.

 

[pcosmar]

Unfortunately, Ron Paul seems to be unwilling to do this, as he keeps giving credibility to Alex Jones and his ilk by continuing to appear on his show on a regular basis.

That should be taken as a "Clue".

 

[iamse7en]

I think I've discovered the truth here. The evidence is clear. Jimmer killed Osama. Look at the evidence:

 

[ExPatPaki]

Were any of these videos proven to be fake by a reputable source? Was there a consensus that the videos were fake? Did any experts say the videos were true?

I think a lot of people have doubts about only one video, the November 9 video where Osama supposedly admitted to the attacks.

This website did an analysis, although it is one of those "conspiracy" websites. But I still think it's worth looking at.

Here is an article by an expert who cast doubts on the translation of the video.

 

[moostraks]

That should be taken as a "Clue".

I think you were also supposed to be insulted by the fact that mainstream republicans don't like you. Such flattery.

So Teaser Rate feels that only government conformists are entitled to representation, that's rich...

 

[ExPatPaki]

Why bother trolling general politics if it is not to pick fights and silence anyone who doesn't march to your drum? There is the Ron Paul 2012 section or you could form your own website strictly stating acceptable discussion material and see how it flies if we are so repugnant to your delicate sensibilities. By dismissing reports of documented media and military/government collusion which has being utilized to support previous war mongering as conspiracy theory (said with disgust of course as no sane person questions the veracity of the benevolent government) you are cutting the legs out from under the anti-war segment of the Paul campaign. No biggie since he happens to be the only true anti-war politician who has vocally stood against our imperialism AND put his self forth as a potential presidential candidate.

What brought you to support Dr.Paul? What has media done to prove itself worthy of acceptance to stories at face value? How has either the government or media proven itself trustworthy and without a hidden agenda? I have had my family nearly destroyed by lying, corrupt government agencies so you are darned right I am not willing to naively accept every cockamamie story put out from government sources. I accept any story put forth with extreme skepticism within the light of previous government behavior and who stands to benefit from this action at this time because I am not a rube. It would behoove people to be less trusting of the government.

I have to +rep you for this, but I'm out of ammo as of now.