Barack Obama - Let's know the facts

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So we've all heard the accusations. Let's get down to facts:

Why is Obama as bad as Hilary or McCain? How is Obama weak or an enemy of the constitution? Civil Liberties? Just the facts please.

NOTE: I happen to agree with the assertion that he IS bad but I'd like to back that up with a bit more facts other than "he voted to fund the war", which, is a good reason but I think we need a little more, no?

So here's his voting record:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
 
He voted yea for National ID. He voted yea for reauthorizing Patriot Act.

That's pretty bad.
 
Obama's foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is a co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, CFR member, and Bilderberger. If you do not know much about these organizations please read this:

Part 1: The Chasm
Part 2: Secret Organizations and Hidden Agendas
Part 3: Days of Infamy
Part 4: The War on Terrorism
Part 5: An Idea Whose Hour Has Come

From DEMOCRACY NOW [1/3/08]:
ALLAN NAIRN: Well, Obama’s top adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski gave an interview to the French press a number of years ago where he boasted about the fact that it was he who created the whole Afghan jihadi movement, the movement that produced Osama bin Laden. And he was asked by the interviewer, “Well, don’t you think this might have had some bad consequences?” And Brzezinski replied, “Absolutely not. It was definitely worth it, because we were going after the Soviets. We were getting the Soviets.” Another top Obama person—

AMY GOODMAN: I think his comment actually was, “What’s a few riled-up Muslims?” And this, that whole idea of blowback, the idea of arming, financing, training the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, including Osama bin Laden, and then when they’re done with the Soviets, they set their sights, well, on the United States.

ALLAN NAIRN: Right. And later, during Bill Clinton’s administration, during the Bosnia killing, the US actually flew some of the Afghan Mujahideen, the early al-Qaeda people—the US actually arranged for them to be flown from there to Bosnia to fight on the Muslim/NATO side.
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Mike Ruppert gives a lecture on Zbigniew Brzezinski:
PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qsDjUWKOHQ
PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I65v_B5trGs
 
Banana said:
He voted yea for National ID. He voted yea for reauthorizing Patriot Act.

That's pretty bad.
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And he wants to give us even more entitlements we can't pay for.

It's cool and all if people want government to take care of people but they need to at least try to explain how to pay for it. We can't even pay for the Social Security we've promised people. New taxes won't begin to cover it, even if they didn't destroy the economy.
 
Socialized medicine.
+
Not one word about balancing the budget.
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Complete lack of understanding about economics.
+
pro-gun control
=
no vote from me
 
Let's be clear here. He voted to reauthorize the patriot act. In my mind that tells you ALL you need to know about the bleep bleep.

MAYBE I can forgive a politician who voted for it in 2001. It was right after 9/11 and nobody read it (nobody was really given time). People should have voted against it LIKE RON PAUL did but whatever.

But I CAN NEVER FORGIVE anybody that voted to reauthorize it. It had been around for years at that point - we all knew what was in it.

Why did he vote this way? Perhaps he did it for political reasons - because he knew it would sound bad when running for president to the uniformed masses. Maybe he wanted to seem more centrist. OR MAYBE JUST MAYBE he is part of the corporate controlled globalist agenda.

Either way he's an a-hole for it and he won't be getting my vote.

I have a lot of liberal friends voting for him and nothing I say can change their mind. All I can do is tell them smugly to enjoy voting for a person who reauthorized officers coming into your house without a warrant.
 
he might want to show up to vote on things:

NV for:

10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
09/10/2007 Bridge Repair Funding NV
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization NV
10/25/2007 Amtrak Federal Subsidy Limits
03/06/2008 Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill NV
12/04/2007 United States-Peru Trade Agreement
12/13/2007 Income Limit for Subsidies to Farmers
02/12/2008 FISA Amendments Act of 2007
02/26/2008 Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions NV
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
09/06/2007 Prohibiting U.S. Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act NV
07/26/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding NV
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees
10/16/2007 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008 NV
10/03/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Federalism in Iraq NV
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
02/13/2008 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/12/2008 FISA Amendments Act of 2007
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment
11/08/2007 On the Nomination of Michael B. Mukasey for the Office of Attorney General
02/13/2008 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/12/2008 FISA Amendments Act of 2007
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies
02/26/2008 Health Care for Indigenous Peoples NV
02/26/2008 Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions NV
02/25/2008 Prohibiting Funds in the Bill S 1200 from Being Used to Decrease Gun Ownership
10/03/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations
02/07/2008 Economic Stimulus Plan
05/07/2007 FDA Drug Import Certification Amendment
03/06/2008 Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill NV
02/26/2008 Health Care for Indigenous Peoples NV
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies NV
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization
02/25/2008 Prohibiting Funds in the Bill S 1200 from Being Used to Decrease Gun Ownership
09/06/2007 Prohibiting U.S. Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion NV
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Federalism in Iraq NV
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/04/2007 United States-Peru Trade Agreement
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization
06/09/2005 Richard A Griffin, US Circuit Judge
11/08/2007 On the Nomination of Michael B. Mukasey for the Office of Attorney General NV
06/11/2007 Attorney General No Confidence Vote
06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies NV
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007
06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations
09/20/2007 Expressing Support for General Petraeus and All Members of the Armed Forces
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act NV
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding NV
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees
02/13/2008 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/12/2008 FISA Amendments Act of 2007 NV
10/16/2007 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008 NV
09/20/2007 Expressing Support for General Petraeus and All Members of the Armed Forces
05/07/2007 FDA Drug Import Certification Amendment
12/13/2007 Income Limit for Subsidies to Farmers NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies NV
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization NV
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants
02/07/2008 Economic Stimulus Plan NV
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007
03/06/2008 Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill NV
02/12/2008 FISA Amendments Act of 2007
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act NV
07/26/2007 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding NV
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 NV
11/07/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization NV
10/25/2007 Amtrak Federal Subsidy Limits NV
10/23/2007 Appropriations for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies NV
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
10/16/2007 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008 NV
10/03/2007 Border Fence and Customs Appropriations NV
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization NV
09/10/2007 Bridge Repair Funding NV
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants
12/13/2007 Income Limit for Subsidies to Farmers NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies NV
12/06/2007 Temporary Tax Adjustments Act of 2007 NV
12/06/2007 Temporary Alternative Minimum Tax Adjustment Act of 2007
03/06/2008 Consumer Product Safety Commission Bill NV
02/26/2008 Health Care for Indigenous Peoples NV
02/26/2008 Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions NV
02/13/2008 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 NV
02/07/2008 Economic Stimulus Plan NV
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations NV
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007
04/18/2005 Future Military Funding for Iraq Amendment NV
12/13/2007 Income Limit for Subsidies to Farmers NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill)
02/26/2008 Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 from Being Used for Abortions NV
10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
09/06/2007 Prohibiting U.S. Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion
 
Oh and he won't take nuking Iran as a preemptive first strike.

Yes we can yes we can yes we can.
 
Obama, Clinton, and McCain all = NORTH AMERICAN UNION in 2010. Why is the dollar falling? Why is the fed injecting record amounts to save the market?

The fed is deliberately devaluing the dollar to further the NAU and world government agendas.
Stop thinking anything else but Ron Paul in the White House will CHANGE ANYTHING.
We have the DELEGATES.
Stop hoping for false hope.
Truth.
 
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jblosser said:
And he wants to give us even more entitlements we can't pay for.

It's cool and all if people want government to take care of people but they need to at least try to explain how to pay for it. We can't even pay for the Social Security we've promised people. New taxes won't begin to cover it, even if they didn't destroy the economy.
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I believe his proposed spending plan involves an increase of $278 Billion. Where does this come from when we are $9 Trillion in the hole?

If you need a link, I can dig it up--I have too many links under Ron Paul!
 
So, there are no rules to voting? You can just skip all the votes? While I love the constitution and everything it represents, I think there should be more restrictions placed on Congress. For example, when a party filibusters and they bring out beds, that is all a joke. The congressmen are allowed to stay home and watch the filibusters from their TV (or they "have" too).


This is dumb. I like following a rule of law, but we need more laws forcing these politicians to admit their stance on an issue. B y skipping controversial votes, politicians can later claim a side when polls show which side America wants.
 
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Study: Presidential Frontrunners Would Boost Federal Budget by Range of $7 Billion to $287 Billion Annually

  • Among Democrats, Barack Obama, often described as ideologically more "moderate" than Hillary Clinton, actually has the larger agenda of the two ($287.0 billion vs. $218.2 billion).

See the National Taxpayers Union 2008 Presidential Candidate Spending Analyses for more information.
 
RonPaulCult said:
Let's be clear here. He voted to reauthorize the patriot act. In my mind that tells you ALL you need to know about the bleep bleep.

MAYBE I can forgive a politician who voted for it in 2001. It was right after 9/11 and nobody read it (nobody was really given time). People should have voted against it LIKE RON PAUL did but whatever.

But I CAN NEVER FORGIVE anybody that voted to reauthorize it. It had been around for years at that point - we all knew what was in it.

Why did he vote this way? Perhaps he did it for political reasons - because he knew it would sound bad when running for president to the uniformed masses. Maybe he wanted to seem more centrist. OR MAYBE JUST MAYBE he is part of the corporate controlled globalist agenda.

Either way he's an a-hole for it and he won't be getting my vote.

I have a lot of liberal friends voting for him and nothing I say can change their mind. All I can do is tell them smugly to enjoy voting for a person who reauthorized officers coming into your house without a warrant.
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and to top this all off he taught Constitutional Law at Harvard before coming in the Senate and voting for this. Makes you wonder what he taught in that class doesnt it
 
Melissa said:
and to top this all off he taught Constitutional Law at Harvard before coming in the Senate and voting for this. Makes you wonder what he taught in that class doesnt it
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I think 98% of this board doesn't know dick about Con law.
 
Obama is endorsed by the ex chairmen of the Federal Reserve. He's just another puppet owned by bankers.
 
nobody mentioned his mandatory national service plan....that would make community service mandatory for all people from junior high---senior citizens....
 
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