"Attractive hazard" [Orlando Gator attack]

absolutely no its not

I've cited case law multiple times in this thread... I've seen nothing from you citing that I'm liable in the state of Florida for what a wild alligator does.

Bollocks. I cited case law before proving you are wrong. Here's some more.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...erae+naturae+duty+alligator&hl=en&as_sdt=6,43

Please read it this time! Ferae naturae is not the absolute protection you think it is. It protects you from strict liability. It does not protect you from negligence.

Edit: And just in case you want to restrict this to Florida law....

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...5&q=ferae+naturae+duty+warn&hl=en&as_sdt=4,10

We have found no Florida case dealing with owners' or possessors' liability for injuries inflicted by wild animals in their natural habitat. The rule is that generally the law does not require the owner or possessor of land to anticipate the presence of or guard an invitee against harm from animals ferae naturae unless such owner or possessor has reduced the animals to possession, harbors such animals, or has introduced onto his premises wild animals not indigenous to the locality. Gowen v. Willenborg, Tex.Civ.App. 1963, 366 S.W.2d 695; Williams v. Gibbs, 1971, 123 Ga. App. 677, 182 S.E.2d 164; Restatement of the Law of Torts, Ch. 20, § 508; 3A C.J.S. Animals § 174.

[bIn the instant case there was nothing to indicate that the city had knowledge of a shark hazard. To the contrary, the record shows that the attack at a previously safe beach was unexpected. In the absence of reasonable foreseeability of the danger, there was no duty on the part of the city to guard an invitee against an attack by an animal ferae naturae, or to warn of such an occurrence. Williams v. Gibbs, supra; Rubenstein v. United States, N.D.Cal. 1972, 338 F. Supp. 654; Cf. Claypool v. United States, S.D.Cal. 1951, 98 F. Supp. 702. Nor was the city under a duty to obtain information from local agencies to determine the frequency with which sharks appeared in and around the beach area, since there was no attack on record in the history of the beach to indicate the necessity for obtaining such information.[/b]


Please understand what's being said here. Because there had been no shark attacks before is the reason there was no duty. But there had been gator attacks at Disney.
 
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Gator poop!

that appeal decision was overturned by the Georgia Supreme Court


http://legalnewsline.com/stories/510527419-ga-sc-woman-killed-by-alligator-knew-the-risks
Jessica M. Karmasek Jun. 20, 2012, 3:00pm

Melton

Benham
ATLANTA (Legal Newsline) - The Georgia Supreme Court this week reversed a lower court's ruling in a lawsuit over an 83-year-old woman's death, saying that when she was attacked and killed by an eight-foot alligator in a residential community that she had




"equal knowledge"




of such a threat.

Before The Landings was developed, the land within and surrounding its boundaries was largely marsh, where indigenous alligators lived and thrived.

To develop the property, The Landings entities installed a lagoon system that allowed enough drainage to create an area suitable for a residential development.

After the project was finished in the 1970s, the indigenous alligators began to move in and out of The Landings through its lagoon systems.
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unless such owner or possessor has reduced the animals to possession,

harbors such animals,

or has introduced onto his premises wild animals not indigenous to the locality.

Harbor

may be aptly used to describe the furnishing of shelter, lodging, or food clandestinely or with concealment, and under certain circumstances may be equally applicable to those acts divested of any accompanying secrecy.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harbor

Did Disney have hidden alligator ponds?
Did Disney have a clandestine alligator feeding program?
Did Disney furnish alligator shelters?

No.

They created a lagoon system where alligators already live to dry out some land for construction. That's certainly not harboring; the gators were already there. Half the state of Florida is in this condition; it would be uninhabitable without the VAST canal and lagoon networks residents have in the state. So you can't claim lagoons are aligator harbors... the gators would be there in marshes instead if the lagoons were destroyed.
 
there had been gator attacks at Disney.

the last one was 30 years ago.
that doesn't constitute a present danger.

yes... a child was recently killed... that gator is out there, has a taste for human blood, and may pose an immediate threat to others; there is some present duty of care

but no... a gator attack that occurred decades ago does not incur liability of a "present danger"
 
Screw that. Heck if I'd jump in the water with an alligator. I was actually thinking about buying a little bungalow down in Florida a couple of years ago for a getaway place if my son ended up playing down there. Crap like this is why I changed my mind. Freaking walking around my yard and an alligator jumping out after me? Phht. Riiiight.
 
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the last one was 30 years ago.
that doesn't constitute a present danger.

Wrong. There was one more recent than that.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/treating-hungry-alligators-kid-gloves/

After the two-year-old boy was killed by a gator at Disney last week a San Diego father who had vacationed there was interviewed by the media and said that he snatched his own young son up after seeing TWO gators racing toward the child at the resort. The environmentalist-in-chief at the resort told him that those gators were “pets” and would not bother anyone. The father was a tad skeptical. One wonders if SHE would have left HER two-year-old son standing there to play with her pet alligators.

You are simply having a problem admitting you are wrong. Get over it. Your claim that the "ferae naturae" doctrine gives land owners absolute absolution from any liability of wild animals on their property is simply false. You know it and I know it and everyone who's still following this conversation knows it.
 

And a couple from Nebraska would not have equal knowledge. Plus the toddler wasn't swimming.

Edit: THE ARTICLE YOU ARE QUOTING PROVES YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!

Please read!

"In this case, testimony shows that Williams was aware that wild alligators were present around The Landings and in the lagoons. Therefore, she had knowledge equal to The Landings entities about the presence of alligators in the community," Justice Harold D. Melton wrote for the majority.

Unless you have some testimony showing that the Nebraska couple had equal knowledge of Disney that there had been gator attacks at Disney you are simply blowing smoke! Considering the fact that you didn't even know about all the gator attacks at Disney, it's most likely that the Nebraska family didn't know about them either.
 
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More damning facts regarding Disney's knowledge of the gators.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/17/disney-ignored-gator-problem-to-keep-high-end-guests-happy-report/
Disney World was warned about the alligator problem in its Seven Seas Lagoon but looked the other way because high-paying guests enjoyed feeding the creatures, a report has claimed.

Management had been warned by park staff that guests at the $2,000-a-night waterfront Bora Bora Bungalows were feeding the alligators, but ignored requests to build protective fences, a park insider said, according to TheWrap.

“Disney has known about the problem of guests feeding the alligators well prior to the opening of the bungalows,” the insider told the news site.

“With the opening of the bungalows, it brought the guests that much closer to wildlife. Or, the wildlife that much closer to the guests.”

Opened in April 2015, the bungalows are adjacent to the Grand Floridian Hotel, where 2-year-old Lane Graves was snatched into the lagoon and killed by an alligator on Tuesday.

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Lane GravesPhoto: Getty Images
A San Diego man told CBS News on Thursday that managers dismissed him when he reported seeing a gator go after his 5-year-old son at the park last year.

“The response, I couldn’t believe it,” David Hiden, a lawyer, told CBS. “It was, ‘Those are resident pets, and we’ve known about them for years. And they’re harmless, they’re not going to attack anybody.’ ”

Hiden and his family had been staying at Disney World’s Coronado Springs Resort, 3½ miles from the Grand Floridian.

Also on Thursday, videos emerged on YouTube showing gators at Disney World, some just feet from parkgoers.
 
... Wall off cities and keep the inhabitants in...

Trump = wall

Florida is already lost to seniors and the wildlife, therefore the wall shall run through Alabama and Georgia to reduce construction costs.

Putin has agreed to install a Russian military base to ensure stability to the entire region, at no addition cost to the taxpayers.

"Now those gators are his problem...."

Spoken,
so say we all
 
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lol

I'm sorry but if you live on planet earth and aren't aware that alligators live in Florida, you're a dumbass.

You might not be aware that there are alligators living in the family friendly park you've been invited too. :rolleyes: Seriously your argument is retarded. In the case you cited there was testimony that the woman who had gotten eaten by an alligator knew there was an alligator in the lake she was swimming in and she went swimming anyway. In this case there is no similar testimony. And if Disney had spent as much time and money making sure there were no alligators in the lagoons on their property as they do making sure no guns come on their property, or at least making sure the gators just don't crawl up to the shallows where some kid might be wading, then this incident wouldn't have happened. Yeah MelissaMW posted the cute pic of the gator climbing the fence. Guess what? If someone sees a gator climbing a fence he has time to grab his kid and run the hell away! And how much would adding a picture of a gator to a "no swimming sign" cost? Why wouldn't Disney do that? Neither you nor any of the other Disney defenders want to answer that question. Captain obvious says "Because they didn't want to scare away tourists." So the risk of tourists getting eaten was outweighed by the concern of lost profits from tourists possibly deciding "Hmmmmm....I'll go on rides in the Magic Kingdom by I think we'll stay somewhere else."

Seriously, you made a legal statement that overstated the case (no pun intended) and now you can't admit you're wrong so you are falling back on blaming the victim. Whatever. I hope Disney's lawyers are as ill prepared to defend their client as you are. Then again, Disney will probably settle this. If they tried to fight this case on a "Well the hayseeds from Nebraska got what was coming to them because they should have known their were gators in the pond" argument, even if they won in court (which they wouldn't), the bad publicity from the case would cost them more than simply paying a few million to settle the case and moving on.
 
Yeah MelissaMW posted the cute pic of the gator climbing the fence. Guess what? If someone sees a gator climbing a fence he has time to grab his kid and run the hell away!

If you see an alligator anywhere, and it's not running at you or leaping out of the water at you, you have time to leave it alone and get away, but you really should not be running. That's a ridiculous idea. You're also discounting the fact that a frustrated animal on your side of the fence is not going to be happy with you. It's a barrier an animal has to negotiate to get away from you, which drives them to do less predictable things.

If the animals were actually allowed to be normal alligators and not hand-fed, you would see almost no attacks. Even the prior one has the earmarks of mistaken identity (a kid near some ducks).

I saw the thread had more posts but figured they were about the bear they were having to euthanize because a marathon runner got mauled.
 
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So is "Whitewater Center" non profit liable?

Is "Church of the Messiah" that chartered the trip to Whitewater Center liable?

Maybe we need signs all up and down the river so anyone going rafting realizes they might get eaten by an amoeba.

Should uncle install them? The church? Whitewater Center? Maybe every landowner on riverfront needs them 8' on center?

Do you think more people are aware that man eating alligators live in Florida or man eating amoebas live in South Carolina? Does it even matter?

Who's more dead child eaten by wild gator at Disney or 18 year old eaten by amoeba @ WW Center?


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lol

I'm sorry but if you live on planet earth and aren't aware that alligators live in Florida, you're a dumbass.

Don't know if I qualify as a dumbass or not but I've been to Disney World many times and the gators never even crossed my mind. I never went to the villages with the white sandy beaches but to me it seems like a crazy idea to put inviting beaches on a lake with gators in it. Just sayin'...
 
there are coastal rental properties around the globe with beach chairs facing shark infested waters
 
Is a term I'm familiar with because my little niece (years ago) was hurt on some construction equipment left unattended and unfenced. It was deemed an "attractive hazard" but no judgment was won because it was a township government who was the defendant.

This alligator nightmare at Disney is an attractive hazard if ever there was one. They created well groomed, sandy beaches with chaise lounge chairs, tables, umbrellas and a movie screen on the shore of the habitat of apex predators. People from all over the world go to that overpriced playground and have no idea that all fresh water in Florida has alligators. Disney had " no swimming" signs but no "DANGER ALLIGATORS - STAY AWAY FROM WATER" signs. I'm guessing that's because such warnings might hurt business. The little boy was simply wading (not swimming) with his poor parents unaware of what was in the "Seven Seas Lagoon". Their grief must be unimaginable :(

This makes me sick that Disney (who I can't stand) lured the unsuspecting to a freaking gator swamp by putting a beach there. These poor people will get HUGE money from Disney but lost their baby in the most awful way and it was completely avoidable. I'm amazed it didn't happen sooner but it was bound to happen.

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If a sign says "No swimming", stay out of the water. Don't say "Oh, I'll just wade".

Unless you want to be attacked by alligators/sharks/jellyfish or flesh eating bacteria (like the fellow in Galveston.
 
Don't know if I qualify as a dumbass or not but I've been to Disney World many times and the gators never even crossed my mind. I never went to the villages with the white sandy beaches but to me it seems like a crazy idea to put inviting beaches on a lake with gators in it. Just sayin'...

Alligators enter golf courses and swimming pools in their territory. If you're near a body of water in alligator country (Read: all of Florida), assume there's a gator in it unless proven otherwise.
 
You might not be aware that there are alligators living in the family friendly park you've been invited too. :rolleyes: Seriously your argument is retarded. In the case you cited there was testimony that the woman who had gotten eaten by an alligator knew there was an alligator in the lake she was swimming in and she went swimming anyway. In this case there is no similar testimony. And if Disney had spent as much time and money making sure there were no alligators in the lagoons on their property as they do making sure no guns come on their property, or at least making sure the gators just don't crawl up to the shallows where some kid might be wading, then this incident wouldn't have happened. Yeah MelissaMW posted the cute pic of the gator climbing the fence. Guess what? If someone sees a gator climbing a fence he has time to grab his kid and run the hell away! And how much would adding a picture of a gator to a "no swimming sign" cost? Why wouldn't Disney do that? Neither you nor any of the other Disney defenders want to answer that question. Captain obvious says "Because they didn't want to scare away tourists." So the risk of tourists getting eaten was outweighed by the concern of lost profits from tourists possibly deciding "Hmmmmm....I'll go on rides in the Magic Kingdom by I think we'll stay somewhere else."

Seriously, you made a legal statement that overstated the case (no pun intended) and now you can't admit you're wrong so you are falling back on blaming the victim. Whatever. I hope Disney's lawyers are as ill prepared to defend their client as you are. Then again, Disney will probably settle this. If they tried to fight this case on a "Well the hayseeds from Nebraska got what was coming to them because they should have known their were gators in the pond" argument, even if they won in court (which they wouldn't), the bad publicity from the case would cost them more than simply paying a few million to settle the case and moving on.

Why would you assume that there were alligators everywhere except Disney?

Why would you risk the life of your child by permitting him/her to wade in water in Florida?
 
Alligators enter golf courses and swimming pools in their territory. If you're near a body of water in alligator country (Read: all of Florida), assume there's a gator in it unless proven otherwise.

For people living in Florida I'm sure that they are always on guard around water but most of the visitors to Disney are not from Florida. I think the fact that they have now posted gator warnings is clear enough evidence that such was the wise thing to do (and should have been done from the start). In fact knowing about gator hazards it seems almost criminal to make a beautiful white sand beach for people to frolic on. If you know of any other lakes in Florida where they have nice white sandy beaches, please tell us... (I have no idea if such exists)
 
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