Whether they are or not is immaterial. The point is that you appear ignorant to the fact that a large number of women claim what is probably an equally legitimate and competing right, namely to have control over their own body. So, your solution would be something like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500?
Feel free to keep pounding your shoe on the podium, but I see no legal solution to this problem. This is a moral issue that must be addressed at a personal/spiritual level...government is incapable.
Well you are jumping around here and have made two different points so far, so before we let this little discussion steer entirely into incoherence (and start throwing around accusations of ignorance,) let me clear something up. Someone stated that abortion should be legal "because abortions will occurr no matter what--so better that they be safe." In response to this, I pointed out the purpose of making something a crime isn't to stop it entirely, but to also "provide a legal recourse against those who commit it." Thats the aim of every law.
And because this is an aspect of all laws, pointing out that this would be the case with abortion, in itself, is not a reason to keep it legal any more than it is a reason to legalize robbery, or murder. I raised this counterpoint not as a justification for illegalizing abortion, but merely to refute an argument against illegalizing abortion.
Its at this point that you entered the discussion, bringing up that there are things which are illegal which should not be. I agree with you, it is wrong to legislate morality. However, we should have legislation upholding the constitution and the rights it guarantees. That is what separates laws against swearing, for instance, and laws against abortion. The question I posed to you, "are those things the violation of someone elses rights," is not immaterial - it is the very material upon which we should judge laws of this nature.
Your second point, that a woman has control of her body, is indeed true - but so often people forget that the fetus is not a part of the woman's body. From its conception it has unique DNA, and is a separate - though dependent - individual and human being. Further, while everyone has control of their body, this is only true insofar as they do not use their body to infringe upon the rights of others. You cant, for instance, claim that its your body so you can trespass wherever you want, or that its your body so you can smuggle things out of buildings if you swallow them. And you certainly cant justify ending the life of another with the defense that it was your body when you used your hands to strangle another to death.
The government is there to safeguard our rights and provide a means in which people can settle disputes. While noones rights are violated if you swear, someones rights are violated when an abortion is carried out. This is the difference, and this is why it should be illegal.
