Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion

[therealjjj77]

I agree completely. We need to fight the welfare state legislatively, but we shouldn't disregard one of our best weapons against it which is abortion.

It is also very hard to say what a person will choose to believe when they get older. By the family I come from and the way I was raised, I should have been a government dependent socialist. However, I heard about the ideas of free market and investigated and have changed my entire family's view on this. It is difficult to judge what a person will believe before they even have an opportunity to make that choice for themselves.

In fact, one could argue that the more people are in a family, the greater probability that one of them will stumble across the ideas of the free market and change their whole family's view.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

I'm adamantly pro-life.

Women should always have the right to choose.

 

[G-Wohl]

For those who get offended by such polls, I get offended by life being sucked out via a suction device and flushed down the drain. Yes, its my opinion, and it will never change.

It isn't about the poll, it's about the clearly biased and one-sided wording featured in it. Such questions are perfectly acceptable to ask, but it's just ridiculous and stupid to make a poll depicting the "other side" as being Pro-Abortion ("Pro-Death" or other such things).

 

[jmarinara]

It should read "Pro Tyrannical Prohibition" vs "Pro Self-Ownership" ...

We have a nice compromise going of leaving it up to the states, but if I see you fetus nuts gang up on this issue one more time, I'll vote Libertarian over Ron Paul!

Well don't let the door hit you in the . . . . never mind.

Seriously, you're gonna go vote for someone else because you don't like some of the supporters points of view? Just stop and think about that for a minute.

 

[jmarinara]

if you are not pro life it does NOT mean you are pro abortion---What it is called is pro choice and what that means to me is even though I think abortion is wrong --for me--I can't tell anyone what thier "choice" should be----

remember the old saying dont judge till you walked a mile in thier shoes

Why is it so hard to say that murder is wrong, a violation of the most fundamental human right, and should be outlawed in a free and orderly society?

And why is it so hard to understand that humans are still people no matter how small they may be, or how far along in the development they may be, and that taking there innocent life, even if they lack the ability to protest, is murder?

 

[jmarinara]

Government regulation of abortion would be nearly as effective as government regulation of suicide.

Yeah sure.

When abortion was outlawed, the most liberal estimates where that about 35 abortions occurred on a yearly basis in the 20th century.

Now that it is legal we kill 4,000 babies every DAY.

 

[Eponym_mi]

Well don't let the door hit you in the . . . . never mind.

I'd say the same for you. Single issue people like yourself should go start a new party for that purpose and howl at the moon. You've already done a fine job pushing people away from the Republican party.

 

[jmarinara]

Well, I'm personally against abortion but favor responsible choice for the mother. I support all 1st trimester abortions, oppose all 3rd trimester abortions (except in case of mother's life, health) and state's rights with 2nd trimester abortions (favor only in 1st month of 2nd trimester). I wouldn't encourage abortions or have one but would like to leave this up to the states.

So what happens on the 91st day of the child's life that makes it more human, more alive, and more deserving of protection?

 

[jmarinara]

I'm a physician, like Ron, and as much as I've studied and pondered, I cannot come up with an answer to when life begins that doesn't seem artificial or arbitrary. So, like I said, I come down on the side of pro-life.

Wow, you're a physician and this is your pathetic answer?

Seriously doc, if an hour old baby isn't alive, then what is it? You have two basic choices with no middle ground. Alive or Dead. Dead things don't grow, don't consume food, don't produce waste products, don't develop into living things. So therefore it is alive.

It is certainly human, and if you're gonna argue that point with me, you should give up your license to practice medicine and mop floors somewhere.

So if it's alive and human, is it not a person?

 

[Eponym_mi]

When abortion was outlawed, the most liberal estimates where that about 35 abortions occurred on a yearly basis in the 20th century.

Now, I know you're a nutjob. What 35 reported? What a crock of shit!!

 

[Captain America]

bump

Life is a gift.

It is not mine, yours or anyone else's to take.

End of story.

bump for a exactly what i believe

 

[evadmurd]

I think they call themselves Pro-Choice actually. I think it's the same thing though.

Not in the least. I am a strongly pro-life but I would have a hard time calling a pro-choicer pro-abortion, unless of course they were an abortionist.

 

[jmarinara]

Says who?

And is evolution a biological fact?

Answer to the first question: Anyone who has any common sense and any sensible definition of what being alive is.

No evolution is not a biological fact, it's a complete and total fairy tale. And what does that have to do with this subject?

 

[jmarinara]

I think that destroying a handful of cells after they have been fertilized is really not a big deal. Although I would agree less and less as it develops more features. For example, a brain stem.

Is anyone here really saying they would get bent out of shape over destroying 1, 2, or even 4 cells after they have been fertilized? Hmm...

Yes, yes I am saying I would get bent out of shape when we decide to arbitrarily kill a human being, no matter how small or how seemingly insignificant.

And your callous viewpoint on life is frightening and angering.

 

[Eponym_mi]

No evolution is not a biological fact, it's a complete and total fairy tale. And what does that have to do with this subject?

This forum has obviously been infiltrated.

 

[kutibah]

I'm pro-abortion under certain circumstances, but certainly not to "undo" a mistake.

 

[Iowa4Paul]

In a perfect world we wouldn't need legal abortion.

However we don't live a utopia. There are defects, complications, uneducated teens, rape, and sometimes a woman can't support a child.

I would rather have it legal than there be some back-alley coat-hanger abortions.
I've known girls who didn't know sex would get them pregnant. I've also known another who's father kicked them out of the house because they got pregnant...

Then there's my friend who was raped and got pregnant. Should she be forced to carry this child against her will?

Anyone who says yes can kiss my ass and lick my shit-soaked boots.

 

[jmarinara]

Demagoguery. You are defining life to begin at conception and using that definition to "prove" your points.

And why exactly is that a wrong or bad definition? Please, someone tell me how even a single cell dividing cannot be classified as alive.

I could just as easily say it is a biological fact that life begins when the brain stem appears. Or when a heart appears.

Sure, but you would have a hard time defending when a heart became a heart and a brain stem became a brain stem. I could poke holes in those types of arguments with my brain tied behind my back. The conception argument is simple, elegant, and completely logical. It is hard to argue against when you are being honest.

The real fact, is that we don't know exactly when life begins. It certainly happens at some point after conception, but before birth.

How do you define life? When you define life, you will know exactly when it begins assuming the proper information is available to you.

Imagine arguing the opposite point 200 years from now when the world is vastly overpopulated and its resources are insufficient to support life

Considering we are losing more people than we are gaining, I'm not real worried.

"If you can't reduce overpopulation, then how can you protect liberty?"

"A species that cannot control its population has accelerated its demise."

These are all valid statements in that context.

No. Murder is never right. No matter what the circumstances.

how do you equate being "unable to protect life" with "supporting first trimester abortions?" You make it sound like if we allow first trimester abortions then we are condoning ALL forms of killing. This is simply untrue.

Well now, think about it for a minute. If a child inside the womb is alive, and human, and it is ok to kill them for any reason, or even for limited reasons. Why would it not be ok to kill someone else for similar reasons? What has changed except the size and position of the person being killed? Are you really going to make the pathetic argument that size and position of a person determine their value?

"protecting life in most all cases but provding flexibility in terminating unwanted pregnancies within some suitably small window of time after conception." Is this really incompatible with liberty? Methinks not.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and among these are LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." So yes, terminating an essential component of our rights is incompatible with liberty.

 

[jmarinara]

IMO, life is consciousness

Interesting. Is bacteria conscience? Hmmm? Of course not. So I guess then we must throw out all knowledge and theories we have on micro-biology because they are all premised on the idea that bacteria and other similar organisms are alive.

Like most extremists, you're making an assinine argument.

Took the words right out of my mouth, but instead regarding you and all other pro-murder extremists. And make no mistakes, you people who make these arguments straight out of the Nazi handbooks to justify your murder of innocent people are nothing short of extremists. How our founders and fore fathers would view us and be ashamed! How disgusting the sensible thinkers and leaders of the past would find these justifications for cold blooded murder!

 

[Eponym_mi]

Took the words right out of my mouth, but instead regarding you and all other pro-murder extremists.

Actually, I'm pro-life. In fact, there was a time where I might have taken your extreme views. I voted to outlaw abortion in my state should Roe v Wade be overturned. I just don't subscribe to your extremism. As I encounter people like yourself, I find your remedies to the problem imperfect and sickening. You offer no solution...you just judge and run around condemning people. Take the plank from your own eye asshole.