Are you going to switch to Libertarian after the elections, or stay Republican?

[Ira Aten]

Quote: Respectfully, if Ron Paul doesn't get in, I'll be switching to Libertarian. I will seriously consider staying republican if Ron Paul is elected.

Wish you would reconsider, and here is why. You staying in the party, is the Neocon's worst nightmare.

We are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC structured by the Constitution, thus the reason the party was named Republican. The party needs to be repaired. The Libertarian party platform, is simply the original foundation of the Republican Party.

We need to re-take the Party. We need to persuade folks like Guliani, Rick Perry (the Trans Texas Corridor/Bildergerg Group Boy) that they have no future with the party, and create thousands of Ron Pauls. All it takes is to read the Constitution, study it, and then promise (oath of office) to govern "...in pursuance of" that document, and we can repair (and retain) America as a soveriegn nation.

The mindset of the current Neocons in the party of "...Oh, we can't maintain the initiatives our party was founded upon because everyone hates "partisans" so we will accept something close" is simply a mind game being played on America, in order to allow a core group of Bilderbergers to control our nation, and eventually create a one world government, with guess who running it.

Please resolve to change the party, as this is the closest we've ever come. The Ron Paul candidacy isn't about winning the nomination. It's about changing the party into thousands of Ron Pauls, and controlling the party to get our country back from the police state we are currently handing our freedom over to.
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[Lucille]

Wish you would reconsider, and here is why. You staying in the party, is the Neocon's worst nightmare.

We are a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC structured by the Constitution, thus the reason the party was named Republican. The party needs to be repaired. The Libertarian party platform, is simply the original foundation of the Republican Party.

We need to re-take the Party. We need to persuade folks like Guliani, Rick Perry (the Trans Texas Corridor/Bildergerg Group Boy) that they have no future with the party, and create thousands of Ron Pauls. All it takes is to read the Constitution, study it, and then promise (oath of office) to govern "...in pursuance of" that document, and we can repair (and retain) America as a soveriegn nation.

The mindset of the current Neocons in the party of "...Oh, we can't maintain the initiatives our party was founded upon because everyone hates "partisans" so we will accept something close" is simply a mind game being played on America, in order to allow a core group of Bilderbergers to control our nation, and eventually create a one world government, with guess who running it.

Please resolve to change the party, as this is the closest we've ever come. The Ron Paul candidacy isn't about winning the nomination. It's about changing the party into thousands of Ron Pauls, and controlling the party to get our country back from the police state we are currently handing our freedom over to.
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QFT!

 

[John P Slevin]

sure, do your thing

Yes, I know. I know all about Barry, Reagan and GHWB and the history of the neocons, and why the Libertarian party was formed. I've probably been voting longer than you've been alive.

You are all free to do what you want to.

I, for one, will not be FORCED out of the Party, which is exactly what the Neocons want. I will stay in the party where Paul is and fight and where I have a chance to initiate change, locally, statewide, and nationally. Like Paul.

Do what you want. Go third party, and let the Neocons have the party. Have fun getting .05% of the vote.

Like I said, maybe you'll come around once you've read the book. I'm done here because as I said, all this defeatism is depressing.

I leave you with this:

"We are the Republican Party!"

The neocons already have a majority of the vote in enough elections to continually elect presidents and members of congress, control governorships and statehouses. They are not trying to force you out. They are counting on you feeling you better stick in there with them because you must win your elections. What bleepin nonsense.

And I'm 50 years old, so I don't think you've been at it for longer than I've been alive. If you have, you've been witnessing the Republican corruption the entire time. When are you going to learn that it is hopeless?

That is what you want to continue doing, sure, stick with it if it makes you happy because you get more votes...me, I'd rather support honest candidates and if I'm to be a member of any party, it's an honest party for me.

 

[JGalt]

if RP doesn't win the Republican nomination I'm going Libertarian and writing him in for the general election, and I'm writing in Rand for Senator since nobody's running against Mitch McConnell again, and I know Rand is technically eligible.

 

[seeker1]

Wow, you're older than I thought.

I've probably been voting longer than you've been alive.

So, did you vote for Taft or Eisenhower in the primary?

Glad to see seniors using the web.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now, and I think the best bet in the long run is to stay Republican.

The libertarian ideals of freedom and liberty are mainstream views, but often people don't realize its exactly what they want until they actually hear the message. And in my opinion, the best way to get that message to the masses is through mainstream parties and changing the Republican party from the inside-out, ground-up.

Run for office. Get involved locally. Talk to your neighbors. Continue to be the spreaders of truth.

Just never forget who you are and for whom you work.

As far as working within the Party - yes, you should keep trying to transform the Republican Party.

BUT EVERYONE HERE ALSO NEEDS TO START DONATING MONEY TO LIBERTARIAN/CONSTITUTIONAL POLITICAL GROUPS SUCH AS:

http://www.theadvocates.org (with a nice picture of Dr. Paul on the front page)

http://www.lewrockwell.com

http://www.fff.org ("Outstanding Freedom Website" - Congressman Ron Paul's Liberty in Media Awards)

http://www.antiwar.com

http://www.isil.org

http://www.gunowners.org ("The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington."
-Rep. Ron Paul)

http://www.norml.org

http://www.drugpolicy.org

And here's a longer list of links: http://www.liberty-tree.org/ltn/LibertyLinks.html


And if the Republicans run a statist for office - send them a message that you won't support such a candidate and vote Libertarian or Constitution Party in the general election. THAT will send a message.

Do not contribute to any of the Republican general funds - since they keep breaking their promises to support smaller government. If a candidate is worthy, such as Ron Paul, then only send them money directly.

 

[pcosmar]

I am an Independent and will remain an Independent.
I have never been a member of any party.
however if the Republican party does not nominate, and continues their present tactics, I will consider them my enemy. I will do all in my power to undermine them.

 

[Lucille]

So, did you vote for Taft or Eisenhower in the primary?

Glad to see seniors using the web.

You can wipe that smug grin off your face any time, McRomney.

I hope and pray your pessimism and complacency, and your horrible advice to leave the party, does not infect the young people who have registered as Republicans and joined in this fight.

You can only change it from within.

 

[Eponym_mi]

You can only change it from within.

Why bother? You're tilting at windmills. You're suggesting that we're going to change the people in control of the party, which I believe is unlikely.

The only advantage to what you're suggesting is that it overcomes the inherent bias that is present against any group that is not part of the Republican or Democratic establishment.

I don't WANT to be a part of either of these parties. There are too many people within in them that oppose my views. They're both disgusting to me. I don't see how all the bias in our political system toward a 2 party system has not been ruled unconstitutional.

 

[seeker1]

McRomney?

You can wipe that smug grin off your face any time, McRomney.

I hope and pray your pessimism and complacency, and your horrible advice to leave the party, does not infect the young people who have registered as Republicans and joined in this fight.

You can only change it from within.

Aren't they the Republicrats running in this race? The Party Favorites? You are really funny. <---smugly grinning

So did you vote for Taft or Eisenhower? Or were you just trying to claim some high ground with your age? I take it you're not 77?

Pessimism? For what? A corrupt two party system and the party loyalists that keep fomenting their devotion?

Complacency? Do you mean my being self-satisfied that I am unwilling to bow down at the Republicrat alter and swear my allegiance?

I hope the young people that registered to vote for Ron Paul will continue to uphold the values of the Constitution and vote their conscience and not feel obligated to support a candidate because of fear that their "party" will lose an election.

I appreciate your prayers.

Oh and by the way, you never did answer the question showing where Ron Paul has accomplished any change in the Republicrat party. Because you can't.

Well, I have way better things to do, so adios.

 

[Original_Intent]

In my opinion it would be easier to retake the GOP from within (just like the neocons took it in the first place) than to build a third party up to being a real threat.

I think the critical thing is that whatever we do we try to stay consolidated. The worst outcome would be if we all went our separate ways and some went back to the CP, some back to the LP, some back to Dem, some stay in the GOP, and some go back to being uninvolved in politics.

If we stick together we are going to win this, but if we all go our separate ways and our coalition breaks apart, then we are back to square 0.

 

[Eponym_mi]

In my opinion it would be easier to retake the GOP from within (just like the neocons took it in the first place) than to build a third party up to being a real threat.

I would only consider this a temporary solution. The endgame should be permanent elimination of the biased 2 party system. Otherwise, we'll be fighting the same battle again whenever some other bozos come along to take over the party.

 

[Truth-Bringer]

In my opinion it would be easier to retake the GOP from within (just like the neocons took it in the first place) than to build a third party up to being a real threat.

I still think the best strategy is to fight Neocons and Collectivist Statists in the GOP on two fronts. Continue to be a member and try to influence people within the party, but donate money to the Libertarian Party and Libertarian political groups and vote for their candidates if the GOP nominates Neocons or Statists.

I think the critical thing is that whatever we do we try to stay consolidated.

That we should definitely do - but we can be consolidated in different projects. It doesn't all have to be about the Republican Party.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Seeing how many in the Libertarian party have treated Paul (Reason, Cato, etc) gives me serious reservations about joining the party.

One great thing about this campaign is that it has undoubtedly exposed certain individuals and groups as not being what they've always said they were.

As for how the LP has treated Paul, the LP gave its' presidential nomination to Paul in 1988, long before the Ron Paul Revolution. And, he ran on the same message at that time as he runs today.

I think they also pretty much offered up their ballot access to him as their presidential nominee for this year too.

The Goldwater Republicans didn't abandon the Republican party those many years ago like so many here want to. All the defeatists around here are depressing.

I know at least a few who voted for Harry Browne.

This is likely the best and last chance we have to change things. What do you guys think things will look like after 4 years of McCain, Obama, or Hillary? If I'm lucky, I'll be in a shack somewhere shooting my own food. The alternative might be starving to death.

 

[Russellk30]

It's a tunnel ? - are you sure? All this time I thought it was a sewer...

Somebody ought to tell the LP to start getting their affairs ready for September 5
Just in case.

Its actually a tunnel of doom. I think I would rather be stuck in a sewer.

 

[Russellk30]

Yeah...they think we're a cult. Seriously, little has changed....look at the polls! Theocrats, corporatists, and facsists are well represented. Any movement toward libertarian principles will be very temporary (this election cycle only). These groups will only give lip service to keep people like me/us from voting for anyone else other than the Republican they choose.

Good point. Lets not forget that Reagan used rhetoric with a heavy libertarian tilt, but his policies were horrible. The Republican Party will move in the direction of Libertarianism only enough to get us to bite. It seems there is a back and forth cycle of the rhetoric over there years, but name one year that the size of government was actually reduced. The last three Republicans presidents were all elected to reduce the size of government at look where that got us. Why should we hope that the future holds anything different? Neocons and the religious right are numerous and not going anywhere. They had decades. They failed. Good riddance.

 

[Russellk30]

You can wipe that smug grin off your face any time, McRomney.

I hope and pray your pessimism and complacency, and your horrible advice to leave the party, does not infect the young people who have registered as Republicans and joined in this fight.

You can only change it from within.

Calm down, he was just joking. He is not insulting you and his ideas are not an "infection." You are much too loyal to the Republican Party. Over the last half a century how many years did they manage to reduce the size of government? What exactly are you trying to save? Both parties are big government and you are hoping to change decades of just that. Good luck, but don’t insult people that have different views than your own especially when aversion to the Republican Party is a completely reasonable response to the countries current ills.

The Republican Party has some admirable philosophical roots, but so does the Democrat Party. Both are currently pushing big government. Change it if you can, but don’t be surprised or offended if every Ron Paul supporter doesn’t follow suit.

I consider myself Libertarian and until that party starts advocating big government, I will stay. I hope you are successful injected libertarian ideals into the Republican Party.

 

[Crowish]

I'm going Libertarian. The 2 party system has caused a lot of problems.

 

[literatim]

I wouldn't waste money on the Libertarian Party. They only care about the party and not about the overall picture. The Constitution Party puts the country above party affiliation.

I'm going Libertarian. The 2 party system has caused a lot of problems.

All 3rd parties have stagnated because there are laws that actively work against them. Joining the Libertarian Party will do nothing but hurt any hope of getting 3rd parties on equal ground.

 

[hillbilly]

You can wipe that smug grin off your face any time, McRomney.

I hope and pray your pessimism and complacency, and your horrible advice to leave the party, does not infect the young people who have registered as Republicans and joined in this fight.

You can only change it from within.

But you see.... it's not only from within that change can happen.

The collective "they" (the dems & reps that make up the majority of our congress & of course the 'elite') are coming at us from so many angles, not just from within is gonna work anymore. We need to all kiss & make up & realize that we need to tear this box apart from ALL SIDES! From within & without, accepting the unique different areas that each of us are uniquely suited. Some of us work it better from within (like me & you) & some work it better from without. and that's ok.

That being said, I have to say that as long as the people I've seen posting here really do change their voter registration back to Ind or Una or Lib or Con or whatever.... it does make it harder for those of us who are actively trying to make a difference from within.

For those who aren't quite sure:

From Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary (1931):
• Republic: 1. A common wealth; a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage, it differs from a democracy of democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty directly. 2. Common interests: the public.

• Conservative: Conservative (a) 1. Preservative; having power to preserve in a safe or entire state, or from loss or injury or waste. 2. Respecting old institutions, methods, customs, and the like; adhering to what is old or established; not given to change merely for the sake of change; said of persons and their principles; as, a conservative physician. 3. Within safe bounds; moderate; as, a conservative estimate; also, adhering to sound principles; believed to involve little risk; not speculative; as, a conservative investment; a conservative step in opposition.(n) 1. A person or thing tending to preserve from ruin or injury; a conserver. 2. One who aims to preserve from innovation or radical change; one who wishes to maintain an institution or form of government.

The above definition is why I am a Republican & why I will stay one. The Republicans of today are not representative of that definition & I am to change my lil corner as best I possibly can.

But change needs to happen all the way around, not just the Rep party.