Are you going to switch to Libertarian after the elections, or stay Republican?

wow, you're so very wrong.

i want open borders and i'm opposed to one world gov't/nau... in fact, i'm opposed to gov't.

uhhh... it would lead to my freedom to cross that little ditch we call the rio grande at will, w/out needing permission and w/out having to show my papers.

freedom means freedom for everyone, even those you disagree w/, that includes me and millions of others in s. texas who would just as soon see a fence on the red and natchez than the rio grande.

once again, i'm no globalist. i'm a texan!

This is what I'm thinking as well. How can we possibly keep illegals out without keeping ourselves in?
 
I am not a republicrat or a demoblican and have no intention of trying to reform a party to meet my ideals. I was an independent before and only joined the republicrats to vote for RP in the primary.

All this GOP loyalism reminds me of the original loyalists that didn't want to give up their cushy lives for the revolution.

I'm just trying to think of the best way to make long-term changes in government.

There is no loyalty to any party, simply a loyalty to one's country.
 
why be a sorry assed Republican?

Seeing how many in the Libertarian party have treated Paul (Reason, Cato, etc) gives me serious reservations about joining the party.

You've got this wrong. Reason and CATO both are Republican organizations. Funders of Reason and CATO are funders of many campaigns nationwide, and most of their money goes Republican...none, to my knowledge, goes to Libertarian candidates.

As for how the LP has treated Paul, the LP gave its' presidential nomination to Paul in 1988, long before the Ron Paul Revolution. And, he ran on the same message at that time as he runs today.

The Republican Party is the war party, corrupt beyond repair. It locks insurgents out of the process through ballot access restrictions and onerous campaign finance regulations.

Sure, the Republican Party is no more corrupt than the D Party, but is that a reason to be a Republican?
 
The day after I cast my vote for Dr. Paul in my state's Republican primary, I'm switching back to the Libertarian Party. I feel like I need a shower.
 
The Republican Party is an abomination just like the Democratic Party. I do NOT support the Republican Party. I only support Ron Paul.
 
The day after I cast my vote for Dr. Paul in my state's Republican primary, I'm switching back to the Libertarian Party. I feel like I need a shower.

The Libertarian Party has been taken over by big government neo-cons. The Libertarian Party is no longer principled.
 
Yeah, your strategy seems to be the prevalent view

Gee, that's sure worked out well for the country, hasn't it?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

So don't blame me.

The way I see it, my stategy, which by the way was writing in Ron paul for the last six elections, seems to be paying off.

Ignorance is bliss.:cool:
 
AFAIC, hard-core theocrats (Huckabee), corporatists (Romney), and fascists (McCain/Bush) will still have too much influence within the Republican party after this election. They may not want to vote, but they'll still be there. These interest groups represent all that is bad in the party. The Republican platform would have to move much closer toward libertarian principles and positions in order to keep me interested.
 
The Libertarian Party has been taken over by big government neo-cons. The Libertarian Party is no longer principled.

I read their platform and postions and find them to be very principled. I can find very few ideas that can even remotely be considered neo-con. As a matter of fact, they were practically begging Ron Paul to seek their nomination. As to who is actually running the party I have no idea about that, but they can't be all bad if they want Dr. Paul at the top of their ticket.
 
Why are there always only two choices with you guys?

There are only two ways to take back our country. One is to take over one of the two existing parties, the other is to exercise the Second Amendment. The revolutionaries are going to try for plan A before plan B. The loyalists are going to sit on the sidelines.

If you're not willing to take over the Republican Party, you're either satisfied with the status quo, or willing to wait 'till things get so bad it's time for the Second Amendment.

So are you the loyalist that's satisfied with things the way they are, or are you bunkering in and buying food and ammunition expecting things to fall apart? I don't see any other choices?

What is your fascination with the Republican party? As though it is different from the democrat party?

They are the same thing and conttrolled by the money interests in this country.

There is no saving it or taking it over. You're dreaming if you think you can.

We are the revolution. Ron Paul supporters.

Funny, I don't see the Republican or Democratic Parties in the Constitution only "We the People" from the Declaration of Independence.


There's more at stake here than your second amendment rights.:cool:
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"If the liberties of America are ever compleatly ruined, of which in my opinion there is now the utmost danger, it will in all probability be the consequence of a mistaken notion of prudence, which leads men to acquiesce in measures of the most destructive tendency for the sake of present ease.

When designs are form'd to rase the very foundation of a free government, those few who are to erect their grandeur and fortunes upon the general ruin, will employ every art to sooth the devoted people into a state of indolence, inattention and security, which is forever the fore-runner of slavery--

They are alarmed at nothing so much, as attempts to awaken the people to jealousy and watchfulness; and it has been an old game played over and over again, to hold up the men who would rouse their fellow citizens and countrymen to a sense of their real danger, and spirit them to the most zealous activity in the use of all proper means for the preservation of the public liberty, as 'pretended patriots,' 'intemperate politicians,' rash, hotheaded men, Incendiaries, wretched desperadoes, who, as was said of the best of men, would turn the world upside down, or have done it already."
---Samuel Adams
 
I'm going to stay Republican for now in case I need to vote for any Ron Paul Republicans at the local level.
 
I'll stay independent for the most part. But will begin a crusade in my county/city to take it back over. Then will take the republican party over through the state.
 
AFAIC, hard-core theocrats (Huckabee), corporatists (Romney), and fascists (McCain/Bush) will still have too much influence within the Republican party after this election. They may not want to vote, but they'll still be there. These interest groups represent all that is bad in the party. The Republican platform would have to move much closer toward libertarian principles and positions in order to keep me interested.

Have you been to the Republican Executive Committee meeting in your county? The old ways are getting the national press, but it's not unusual now to see 40% or more of the ACTIVE local members are Ron Paul Republicans. THIS is how we take over, by being active at the Grassroots, and taking over the party from the bottom up.

Ignore the national media, they're months behind what's actually happening on the ground.
 
I like the Libertarian and Constitution parties, but again, that's like preaching to the choir.

The Point, at least to me is to wins the hearts and minds. The easiest ones to convert first are those in the Republican party. Honestly some of us should even attempt to join the democrats and begin shaking up their ranks.

It's about winning from withoin, people are colectivist and will be more willing to change their ideas if they don't have to change their labels.
 
Ron stays in the Republican party because he knows third parties are not viable and he can get more done from the inside. And also, because he is a Republican. It's the party that went astray.

This is one purpose of the Revolution. To force change from within. If people just abandon the fight after this one election, what good will it have done? There is certainly more opportunity to do that now than there was before Paul's candidacy, with the enthusiasm of the grassroots. Remember what those kids said to Frank? "We are the Republican Party!" It's true.

I will stay a Republican (as I've been for decades). I will continue to write my Congressmen and Senators and urge them to take libertarian stances on policy, and support libertarian-minded politicians on the local and state level. "All politics are local."

The success of Paul's campaign is because of his message, and the grassroots' enthusiasm for it. It has created an environment where politicians like Flake, Sanford, Barr and Johnson can all benefit from it in the coming years. More will run, and it's essential the grassroots support those candidacies.

Paul's Manifesto is coming out soon. I'm sure it will contain good advice on how to continue the Revolution and initiate change from within. He will also continue to pick up support after the election, through speaking engagements, books, interviews, etc.

This thing is really just getting started.

(And anyone who pledges to go back to the Democrat Party to support their Socialist platform, has a fundamental misunderstanding of both Dr. Paul's message and the Constitution. )
 
I read their platform and postions and find them to be very principled. I can find very few ideas that can even remotely be considered neo-con. As a matter of fact, they were practically begging Ron Paul to seek their nomination. As to who is actually running the party I have no idea about that, but they can't be all bad if they want Dr. Paul at the top of their ticket.

They are pathetic. Do some research about what happened in the LP recently. The LP has been watering down it's message for the past couple of years. A bunch of neo-cons from the Republican Party has taken control of the LP.
 
If Ron Paul is not elected i will tell the Republican party to go Fuk them selfs and register Independent! Democrats can kiss my ass too. If McWar is unstoppable and Ron drops out i will push and vote for Hillary and email every media and newspaper agency and state why i did it. Hopefully this will get to the GOP why they lost so many people.

That lizard neck gerbil cheek robocop body warmonger lunatic belongs back in the hole they dragged him out of!
 
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