Are you for open borders?

[rpfan2008]

Because that still leaves the possibility open for government to rob its citizens at gunpoint.

Again another very confusing reply, govt. doesn't loot-- it's some people hiding behind the govt. And those people would exist even without a formal govt. By abolishing the govt. people would be more vulnerable to this 'loot' during the decompression time that will follow.

Some members often make this point again and again with support of some very ridiculous rhetoric, only a few discuss the practical possibility of its sustainability.

 

[Met Income]

Again another very confusing reply, govt. doesn't loot-- it's some people hiding behind the govt. And those people would exist even without a formal govt. By abolishing the govt. people would be more vulnerable to this 'loot' during the decompression time that will follow.

Some members often make this point again and again with support of some very ridiculous rhetoric, only a few discuss the practical possibility of its sustainability.

If someone is Stealing from you, you don't let it continue because someone else might steal from you. You stop the person who is stealing from you.

 

[rpfan2008]

If someone is Stealing from you, you don't let it continue because someone else might steal from you. You stop the person who us stealing from you.

Exactly like I said. So you are smarting up, finally.

 

[Met Income]

Exactly like I said. So you are smarting up, finally.

What?

 

[The Patriot]

the immigrants are not creating the theft, the State is. We have a welfare proble
, not an immigration problem. Welfare violates property rights, immigration doesn't. You have no right to tell me what to do on my property. Voluntary employment is not an actual crime, it's a diversion for slave vs slave conflict, while the elites whistle past the graveyard. Focusing on immigration empowers the Fed

The illegals are participating in the fraud and theft. They are breaking the law and stealing the property of others, they are also destroying the sovereignty of the nation. The elites are the ones who support open borders and amnesty, they want to destroy western nations to create a world state.

 

[Met Income]

Exactly like I said. So you are smarting up, finally.

the illegals are participation gin the fraud and theft. They are breaking the law and stealing the property of others, they are also destroying the sovereignty of the nation. The elites are the ones who support open borders and amnesty, they want to destroy western nations to create a world state.

Non-immigrants participate in the theft as well. Which is why we need to end the welfare state. Attack the cause, not the effect. Otherwise, you are just swimming upstream.


You do not have a right to point a gun in my face and tell me what I can do on my property, sorry.

 

[The Patriot]

Non-immigrants participate in the theft as well. Which is why we need to end the welfare state. Attack the cause, not the effect. Otherwise, you are just swimming upstream.


You do not have a right to point a gun in my face and tell me what I can do on my property, sorry.

That is true, we need to abolish the welfare state, but we need to end illegal immigration as well. We need to eliminate the cause and it's various symptoms.

If you are facilitating criminality and fraud than you are just as culpable.

 

[Met Income]

That is true, we need to abolish the welfare state, but we need to end illegal immigration as well. We need to eliminate the cause and it's various symptoms.

If you are facilitating criminality and fraud than you are just as culpable.

Participating in voluntary agreements (working, living, etc) is not immoral. Pointing a gun in my face In order to force me not to do something on my property is immoral. It's a complete aggression of violence.

 

[The Patriot]

Participating in voluntary agreements (working, living, etc) is not immoral. Pointing a gun in my face In order to force me not to do something on my property is immoral. It's a complete aggression of violence.

Facilitating thievery and fraud by employing illegals is a crime and is immoral because you are complicit in theft and redistribution by the state to those who commit fraud to attain others' property.

It would be immoral to kill you, however, heavy fines and possible jail time for facilitating fraud and theft is completely reasonable.

 

[JustinTime]

That is true, we need to abolish the welfare state, but we need to end illegal immigration as well. We need to eliminate the cause and it's various symptoms.

If you are facilitating criminality and fraud than you are just as culpable.

In my opinion, large scale immigration of the world poor only entrenches the welfare state. Immigration, legal and illegal, is taking us farther and farther down the welfare state road.

If we are ever fortunate enough to create a truly free state, we will need borders or fall victim to the very same rot that killed this country.

 

[Met Income]

Facilitating thievery and fraud by employing illegals is a crime and is immoral because you are complicit in theft and redistribution by the state to those who commit fraud to attain others' property.

It would be immoral to kill you, however, heavy fines and possible jail time for facilitating fraud and theft is completely reasonable.

But moving and working is not immoral. Initiating violence against me, which is what you'd be doing to me, is incredibly immoral. You have no right to do it.0

 

[Met Income]

Facilitating thievery and fraud by employing illegals is a crime and is immoral because you are complicit in theft and redistribution by the state to those who commit fraud to attain others' property.

It would be immoral to kill you, however, heavy fines and possible jail time for facilitating fraud and theft is completely reasonable.

But moving and working is not immoral. Hiring workers and renting residences out is not immoral. I did not consent to the welfare state, therefore I am not responsible. Initiating violence against me, which is what you'd be doing to me, is incredibly immoral. You have no right to do it.0

 

[The Patriot]

But moving and working is not immoral. Initiating violence against me, which is what you'd be doing to me, is incredibly immoral. You have no right to do it.0

Yes it is immoral, you are violating the sovereignty of the nation you are entering and participating in fraud against the nation and through fraud engaging in the theft of the property of others.

I am not initiating violence against you, you committed an illegal act, and facilitated criminality and fraud which resulted in the property of others' being redistributed by the state apparatus.

 

[scottish devil]

the immigrants are not creating the theft, the State is. We have a welfare proble
, not an immigration problem. Welfare violates property rights, immigration doesn't. You have no right to tell me what to do on my property. Voluntary employment is not an actual crime, it's a diversion for slave vs slave conflict, while the elites whistle past the graveyard. Focusing on immigration empowers the Fed

Take a closer look at this. What I think we have is a colonization problem not an immigration problem. They came here and want to convert America to the third world hole they come from.
If your property is next to mine I do not feel you have the right through your liberal attitude to infringe on my rights to live and associate with who I chose. Also you do not have the right to decrease my property value. So if you rent I feel you have a responsibilty to the residents of the neighborhood.

 

[constituent]

Yes it is immoral, you are violating the sovereignty of the nation you are entering and participating in fraud against the nation and through fraud engaging in the theft of the property of others.

I am not initiating violence against you, you committed an illegal act, and facilitated criminality and fraud which resulted in the property of others' being redistributed by the state apparatus.

chosen has returned.

 

[muzzled dogg]

yes i am

 

[Danke]

chosen has returned.

Hmm.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=182784

 

[Voltaire]

the illegals are participation gin the fraud and theft. They are breaking the law and stealing the property of others, they are also destroying the sovereignty of the nation. The elites are the ones who support open borders and amnesty, they want to destroy western nations to create a world state.

Indeed. Rome did not exist to grant the benefits of citizenship to non-Romans. Citizenship was meant for the benefit of Romans.

Vandals and Goths were considered foreign invaders.

 

[Met Income]

Yes it is immoral, you are violating the sovereignty of the nation you are entering and participating in fraud against the nation and through fraud engaging in the theft of the property of others.

I am not initiating violence against you, you committed an illegal act, and facilitated criminality and fraud which resulted in the property of others' being redistributed by the state apparatus.

I am not violating anything. Unilateral contracts were created without my consent, therefore, they are illegitimate. I am not taking your property, the State is.

And yes, you are initiating violence against me, and that's always wrong. It's my property.

 

[Met Income]

Take a closer look at this. What I think we have is a colonization problem not an immigration problem. They came here and want to convert America to the third world hole they come from.
If your property is next to mine I do not feel you have the right through your liberal attitude to infringe on my rights to live and associate with who I chose. Also you do not have the right to decrease my property value. So if you rent I feel you have a responsibilty to the residents of the neighborhood.

No, they want a better life. If you don't want them on your property, you have every right to keep them off. Working and living isn't immoral, using guns to promote your agenda is.