Are you for open borders?

[johnrocks]

Sorry to sound like a neo con but in the world of ours, we need a secure border and waterway, I don't have a problem with people leaving freely, I don't have a problem in theory with them entering freely but in the world we live, we need secure borders with a strong Coast Guard,imho.

 

[Dunedain]

We need border enforcement period, regardless of the welfare state. The border should be secured for security reasons and economic reasons. America is most vulnerable at it's borders, and though it hasn't happened yet, if we leave our borders open, it is only a matter of time until a terrorist attack occurs on American soil. It is an inevitability. Secondly, if we allow hordes of third worlders by the million pour over our borders even without a welfare state they will still undermine the labor pool. The more you increase the labor pool for the same amount of jobs the lower the wages will go. That is basic economics. We need to keep wages high and keep Americans employed. I believe in an American Nation. Open borders and free trade is a large step towards world government and the elimination of cultural and national identity.

I agree for the need for strong borders except in the following circumstance:

If international communism succeeds in its quest to create a homogenous, brown, servile, mixed mono-racial humanity with no use for liberty, then borders will have no meaning.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I agree for the need for strong borders except in the following circumstance:

If international communism succeeds in its quest to create a homogenous, brown, servile, mixed mono-racial humanity with no use for liberty, then borders will have no meaning.

I don't give a frick about what color anyone is and I do not for one instant believe that it has any bearing on the need for enforcing our immigration laws. It has to do with what many have already mentioned. Making sure that we don't allow so many in at one time that our entire identity as Americans (our principles) are overcome by people who know nothing other than the horrible government from which they came and want to duplicate it here. We have a bad enough problem already, with dumbed-down, ignorant Americans who have forgotten the principles of liberty. Do we really need to add a bunch more, before we get our own house in order? Immigration, yes. A complete overrun of our borders -- NO.

 

[catdd]

I don't give a frick about what color anyone is and I do not for one instant believe that it has any bearing on the need for enforcing our immigration laws. It has to do with what many have already mentioned. Making sure that we don't allow so many in at one time that our entire identity as Americans (our principles) are overcome by people who know nothing other than the horrible government from which they came and want to duplicate it here. We have a bad enough problem already, with dumbed-down, ignorant Americans who have forgotten the principles of liberty. Do we really need to add a bunch more, before we get our own house in order? Immigration, yes. A complete overrun of our borders -- NO.

Once again, you nail it.

 

[Dunedain]

I don't give a frick about what color anyone is and I do not for one instant believe that it has any bearing on the need for enforcing our immigration laws.

I agree with everything you said. I need to add something to your quote above however:

You may not care about "skin color" but our social engineers do. You may not be interested in social engineering, but it is interested in you (and your skin color). A blended humanity is obviously an important goal they have been trying to achieve for years. There are many reasons why a blended humanity works to the NWO advantage and is bad for the people. Massive 3rd world immigration is their weapon of choice lately to accompolish their goal.

People are upset by this subject, that is too be expected. That is good and natural to be upset when you realize the government targets your country for immigration because it isn't quite the right color. It goes against everything we have been taught for years. Directing the energy is the difficult part and it usually comes out in the form of naming calling but tangible action is reallly what we need.

You can support them, ignore them or oppose them and no one can force you in the decision.

 

[Keller1967]

You may not care about "skin color" but our social engineers do. You may not be interested in social engineering, but it is interested in you (and your skin color). A blended humanity is obviously an important goal they have been trying to achieve for years.

What makes you think that? It seems to me that racial division is a key point keeping the elites in power. All of their talk about ending racism is actually just racism itself disguised, racism that they perpetuate. If all humans truly became one race, they would lose that advantage and would have to find other ways to divide and conquer.

If you look at Brave New World as a fictional example, even there they have distinct class differences that are used to make people feel both different from other classes and happy that they are what they are. It is a key point of the power structure of control, and in this fictional case it was actually genetically engineered to be that way.

They elites certainly would be interested in social and genetic engineering, but I am sure they will not use it to equalize and blend all races. They will probably use it to create more distinct and useful differences.

 

[constituent]

They elites certainly would be interested in social and genetic engineering, but I am sure they will not use it to equalize and blend all races.

Which let's get down to it, is what this is really all about.

We can't have no "darkies" corrupting our white women, diluting and distorting our proud culture and heritage.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Which let's get down to it, is what this is really all about.

We can't have no "darkies" corrupting our white women, diluting our proud culture and heritage.

No, it is not, constituent. C'mon, you're better than that. Don't take the easy way out. It's too much like someone crying "anti-semite" if you question the actions of Israel's government.

 

[constituent]

No, it is not, constituent. C'mon, you're better than that. Don't take the easy way out. It's too much like someone crying "anti-semite" if you question the actions of Israel's government.

huh?

that may not be it for you, but to pretend like it isn't "it" for others is just silly.


you don't need my posts to prove it... don't believe me? sit back and watch.


i mean s* man, read this...

You may not care about "skin color" but our social engineers do. You may not be interested in social engineering, but it is interested in you (and your skin color). A blended humanity is obviously an important goal they have been trying to achieve for years. There are many reasons why a blended humanity works to the NWO advantage and is bad for the people. Massive 3rd world immigration is their weapon of choice lately to accompolish their goal.

(and it's no more a fallacious argument than open borders = globalist elite master plan to destroy "our" sovereignty)

 

[LibertyEagle]

huh?

that may not be it for you, but to pretend like it isn't "it" for others is just silly.


you don't need my posts to prove it... don't believe me? sit back and watch.

Well, constituent, there are a hell of a lot of communists who want to throw out the Constitution and allow our country to be completely overrun by illegal aliens. But, I seriously doubt that you or others on this site calling for the very same things to happen, are communists.

 

[constituent]

But, I seriously doubt that you or others on this site calling for the very same things to happen, are communists.

Cool. Glad we can count on your support!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Cool. Glad we can count on your support!

Don't hold your breath, bud.

 

[constituent]

Don't hold your breath, bud.

At least you admit your bias...

 

[TonySutton]

Open Borders, FTW!

 

[Danke]

I agree for the need for strong borders except in the following circumstance:

If international communism succeeds in its quest to create a homogenous, brown, servile, mixed mono-racial humanity with no use for liberty, then borders will have no meaning.

Stay out of waterparks Dunedain!

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/256710/?tab=featured

 

[JustinTime]

What makes you think that? It seems to me that racial division is a key point keeping the elites in power. All of their talk about ending racism is actually just racism itself disguised, racism that they perpetuate. If all humans truly became one race, they would lose that advantage and would have to find other ways to divide and conquer.

If all humans became one "race" (Im not actually sure race exists in the biological sense), and all national and ethnic differences were wiped out, it would make one world government an easier pill to swallow. I gather a lot of people here equate one world government with less or no government, but thats just gullible. One world government would just be a bigger and farther removed version of what we already have.

Plus, a monochrome, monocultural world just be plain boring. We can all learn to live together, but we can "wear our different colors" and have our various identities as well.

If you look at Brave New World as a fictional example, even there they have distinct class differences that are used to make people feel both different from other classes and happy that they are what they are. It is a key point of the power structure of control, and in this fictional case it was actually genetically engineered to be that way.

They elites certainly would be interested in social and genetic engineering, but I am sure they will not use it to equalize and blend all races. They will probably use it to create more distinct and useful differences.

Your throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The answer isnt to get rid of diversity, but get rid of the government that manipulates it.

 

[JustinTime]

Well, constituent, there are a hell of a lot of communists who want to throw out the Constitution and allow our country to be completely overrun by illegal aliens. But, I seriously doubt that you or others on this site calling for the very same things to happen, are communists.

They want impoverished masses, similar to what Russia had in 1917 and China had in 1949. Largely middle-class Americans, with their traditions of limited government and individual freedom just havent delievered the desired effect.

I think I heard a communist say once "Elect a new people" or something similar.

America can have immigration, but only when the welfare state is abolished, massive immigration with the welfare state is a recipe for disaster.

 

[randolphfuller]

There is nothing in the constitution about illegal iimigration. There were never any restrictions on immigration of any kind until the Chinese Exclusion Act, Pay no attention to any politician about immigration unless he fortrightly urges amending the Constitution to put an end to birthright citizenship. This is a lenghty,cumbersomme, and chancy process I doubt could be accomplished and none of the phony politicians has ever dared propose it.

 

[American Nationalist]

There is nothing in the constitution about illegal iimigration. There were never any restrictions on immigration of any kind until the Chinese Exclusion Act, Pay no attention to any politician about immigration unless he fortrightly urges amending the Constitution to put an end to birthright citizenship. This is a lenghty,cumbersomme, and chancy process I doubt could be accomplished and none of the phony politicians has ever dared propose it.

There were no restrictions on immigration persay until the Chinese Exclusion Act. The First United States Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 which prohibited the Naturalization of aliens to Free White Persons. This was defacto restriction.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There is nothing in the constitution about illegal iimigration. There were never any restrictions on immigration of any kind until the Chinese Exclusion Act, Pay no attention to any politician about immigration unless he fortrightly urges amending the Constitution to put an end to birthright citizenship. This is a lenghty,cumbersomme, and chancy process I doubt could be accomplished and none of the phony politicians has ever dared propose it.

Deja vu, all over again! Will these "borders" threads never end?

Pre (and post) Constitution, the States could do whatever they wanted in terms of immigration control. People have argued over what the Feds can legally do probably since the day after the US Constitution was signed. The old slippery slope got us to where we are today.

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Q - "According to the Constitution, can the Federal Government engage in border and immigration control?"

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