Are you for open borders?

[mport1]

Not open borders, no borders

I agree. I should have listed that as the option.

 

[Son of Liberty 2]

Whats ironic, is that mport1 thinks illegal immigration is a boon to the economy yet I'm actually considering moving to New Hampshire from sunny southern California due in large part to the damage wrought by illegal immigration.

Welfare states with open borders will collapse.

 

[constituent]

Welfare states with open borders will collapse.

So will welfare states with closed borders. What of it?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Not open borders, no borders

You are advocating exactly what the globalists want. No borders equal no sovereign nation.

Just dandy.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So will welfare states with closed borders. What of it?

True enough. Although providing welfare to those even outside of our own citizenry will make us fall a lot faster. The people who have been engineering our fall will still be there, however. Only now, we will not have the resources to fight back.

I guess it just boils down to who here wants to end up with a sovereign nation, once it is all said and done. I do.

 

[Southron]

The main problem I have with open borders is it's idealogical suicide to libertarian ideas.

We have problem enough educating our own sheep. What will happen when 2 billion people immigrate here with dreams of money but no care for liberty?

The majority of the world lives under tyranny and at least permits it to some extent. If this were a libertarian world and we were the only State worshiping country I might agree to open up.

But the truth is that " accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. "

 

[Dunedain]

So many globalists on this board (thankfully a minority). I'm sure they would love to see a Walmart on every street corner with a McDonald's inside every Walmart and everyone is a brown average of humanity fit to serve our global masters forever on a prison planet.

I used to think they were evil and a bunch of traitors. Now I just see them as immature and needing to have some children of their own.

 

[Son of Liberty 2]

So many globalists on this board (thankfully a minority). I'm sure they would love to see a Walmart on every street corner with a McDonald's inside every Walmart and everyone is a brown average of humanity fit to serve our global masters forever on a prison planet.

Globalists will never advocate that Israel has open borders.

 

[Dunedain]

Globalists will never advocate that Israel has open borders.

Definately not the true globalists (i.e. the ones with any power).

The globalist minded on this board however probably would support anything that allows the 3rd world to victimize American via unlimited immigration. They've got no alliance to anything save their devotion to the John Lennon tune "Imagine".

 

[revolutionisnow]

Globalists will never advocate that Israel has open borders.

The term "The Melting Pot" was popularized by Israel Zangwill, a strong supporter of zionism, who also supported the Territorialist movement.

 

[Dunedain]

The term "The Melting Pot" was popularized by Israel Zangwill, a strong supporter of zionism, who also supported the Territorialist movement.

Right. Israel is for Jews and Jews only...Yet they push the melting-pot for everyone else.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You are advocating exactly what the globalists want. No borders equal no sovereign nation.

Just dandy.

You are advocating exactly what Nancy Pelosi and Alan Grayson want. Why are you supporting HR1207?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What will happen when 2 billion people immigrate here with dreams of money but no care for liberty?

An ultra-authoritarian, racist, class (caste) based society where greed, bribery and corruption are king?

 

[LibertyEagle]

You are advocating exactly what Nancy Pelosi and Alan Grayson want. Why are you supporting HR1207?

Are you telling me that you believe in borders; that you want our country to remain a sovereign nation? Because that is not my understanding from what you have posted at all.

Why is it that you think our congressmen have allowed, no encouraged, massive illegal immigration, while encouraging our own citizenry to have abortions? Have you every stopped to think about that?

 

[Son of Liberty 2]

Why is it that you think our congressmen have allowed, no encouraged, massive illegal immigration, while encouraging our own citizenry to have abortions?

Why do you think they have done that?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Are you telling me that you believe in borders; that you want our country to remain a sovereign nation? Because that is not my understanding from what you have posted at all.

Why is it that you think our congressmen have allowed, no encouraged, massive illegal immigration, while encouraging our own citizenry to have abortions? Have you every stopped to think about that?

Why are you supporting HR1207? Just because I don't believe in borders, doesn't mean I want the same thing as the NWO nor does it mean it will usher in what they want. Similarly, just because you don't believe in Central Banking doesn't mean you want monetary power in the hands of Congress, nor does it mean that will ultimately happen. See how stupid it is to say what you did? You are just being disingenious whenever you bring that up.

I believe in Private Property borders, do you? Similarly, I believe in the sovereign individual, do you? And also similarly, I believe in the individual to choose under which law he wishes to subject himself, besides of course the ever present Natural Law

So whenever I hear you say some retarded ass shit like that I'll make sure to come back at you with HR1207, or with any other thing we find ourselves in common with the tyrants. Maybe then you can put things into perspective, or not...

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Why do you think they have done that?

Your signature is patently absurd for a number of reasons. One, the Constitution hasn't been a restraint (and a poor one at that given the history of the US) since at least before Wilson. Second, we've been living under an oligarchy since the early 1900s. I guess those damn Irish (And before them the Germans, and before them the Chinese, and before them the English, and before them.....) subverted our mighty Constitution and not the inherentness of a monopoly of power and money....

Goddamn, stop blaming immigration for the ills and trepidations of the State. Whenever you have a monopolistic institution it will never adhere to any of its tenants, ever.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Are you telling me that you believe in borders; that you want our country to remain a sovereign nation? Because that is not my understanding from what you have posted at all.

Why is it that you think our congressmen have allowed, no encouraged, massive illegal immigration, while encouraging our own citizenry to have abortions? Have you every stopped to think about that?

The only question you semi-answered was the first one; you ignored the others. So, I repost it again for you.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The only question you semi-answered was the first one; you ignored the others. So, I repost it again for you.

Being disingenious again. For one, no one is forced to get an abortion so thats a pretty bad plan if you want to either decline the population (In a real negative percentage), or if you want to create a permenant voting class (You do know blacks account for the vast majority of abortions, right? And you do know blacks on the whole vote 90%+ Democrat, right?). Listen to yourself for a second. You are whipped up into such an anti-immigration fervor that you try and come up with the most outlandish scenarios you can possibly think up.

As for the original point at hand, I answered it sufficiently. Why are you supporting HR1207?

I also noticed you answered none of my questions, and I suspect even if you did you wouldn't be able to square your answers with logic. That being you would probably say yes to all, but then not understand how you undermine them at the same time.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Your signature is patently absurd for a number of reasons. One, the Constitution hasn't been a restraint (and a poor one at that given the history of the US) since at least before Wilson. Second, we've been living under an oligarchy since the early 1900s. I guess those damn Irish (And before them the Germans, and before them the Chinese, and before them the English, and before them.....) subverted our mighty Constitution and not the inherentness of a monopoly of power and money....

Different parts of the Constitution have held up better than others. The 2nd amendment, coupled with vigilance, has done a pretty decent job maintaining our right to bear arms. EDIT: Too bad we didn't have the same vigilance for the other parts of the Constitution.

Yes, but I realize you'd rather just dissolve the whole thing and hope everything would magically end up at nirvana.

Goddamn, stop blaming immigration for the ills and trepidations of the State. Whenever you have a monopolistic institution it will never adhere to any of its tenants, ever.

You are mixing the term, immigration, with the illegal alien invasion of our country (ie. ILLEGAL immigration). They are quite different. They are far from our only problem; in fact, they are being used as tools, amongst a variety of other things, to take down our country.

I do not understand why you are unable to see that a country cannot assimilate half of another country overnight. Many people who come here have no idea of the principles upon which this country was founded. They come here knowing only one thing; the government from which they came. Unless they are taught, they will naturally advocate for what they know. So, people have to be brought in slowly.