Anyone else here pro-choice?

[LiberalDemForRP]

I'd like to see these pro-choicers watch an ultrasound of an abortion taking place as the baby backs away from the vacuum and fights for its life and see the ripped and torn fetus sucked into a jar, and see how feel then.

I have seen many videos of which you speak. I am not trying to downplay the action nor am I saying that I think it is right. I simply cannot, in good conscience, tell someone else what she can or cannot do with her own body.

 

[TER]

I used to be pro-choice, then my wife had a miscarriage, and I became pro-life.

 

[tommy7154]

The good thing about this mess of a thread is that even though we can have such different views on a subject, we're all supporting Ron Paul

 

[tarabyte]

Well, Stalin didn't want all Christian killed either, just enough to keep the population in check.

Why do you think its sick if you don't think its human life?

So one human life has greater value than the other? Last I checked everyone has the right to life.

You're talking immorality. I agree with you that abortion is immoral.

Until a fetus is capable of sustaining life outside of the body of the mother, it is not a human being. It may be alive, and aborting it may result in its death. But it is not a human being until it is able to survive independent of its mother.

It is still wrong to abort a fetus. But prostitution is still wrong. Yet I don't think that should be illegal either. Even though I don't agree with it and believe it to be immoral.

 

[literatim]

I have seen many videos of which you speak. I am not trying to downplay the action nor am I saying that I think it is right. I simply cannot, in good conscience, tell someone else what she can or cannot do with her own body.

"To conceive and then abort one's child — even by mere eviction — is to turn conception into a deadly trap for the child. It is to set her up in a vulnerable position that is virtually certain to lead to her death. Conception followed by eviction from the womb could be compared to capturing someone, placing her on one's airplane, and then shoving her out in mid-flight without a parachute. The child in the womb is like a captive; she is in the situation involuntarily, and she cannot fend for herself. A captive is not trespassing on the captor's property, by definition. (Evicting or abandoning one's child cannot be regarded as releasing her from captivity, because this does not terminate childhood inability.)"

http://www.l4l.org/library/abor-rts.html

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I have seen many videos of which you speak. I am not trying to downplay the action nor am I saying that I think it is right. I simply cannot, in good conscience, tell someone else what she can or cannot do with her own body.

Yet you think it's ok to choose to end the life of another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVVXbAOSko

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[Fields]

I used to be pro-choice, then my wife had a miscarriage, and I became pro-life.

Pro life it seems has a lot to do with personal experience as well, I think.

As Ronpaulvolunteer has had personal experience with it. I guess I should say how it has affected me personally. My ex gf was 18 and I was 19 when she got pregnant. I told her that I would go along with her and she said she wanted to keep it, which was fine. She then got hidden from me by her parents got the abortion a few weeks later. Although we were young. I as does she, come from wealthy families so I think it was absurd to have done that.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

SO many people, all they care about is the reproductive rights, failing to understand they also have reproductive responsibilities.

 

[Fields]

Yet you think it's ok to choose to end the life of another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVVXbAOSko

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I haven't seen these. Thanks for sharing.

 

[tommy7154]

Pro life it seems has a lot to do with personal experience as well, I think.

As Ronpaulvolunteer has had personal experience with it. I guess I should say how it has affected me personally. My ex gf was 18 and I was 19 when she got pregnant. I told her that I would go along with her and she said she wanted to keep it, which was fine. She then got hidden from me by her parents got the abortion a few weeks later. Although we were young. I as does she, come from wealthy families so I think it was absurd to have done that.

Yah that's the kind of abortion I am against...I would totally frown at that. So did her parents "convince" her to have the abortion? That sucks and it's wrong imo...

 

[Fields]

You're talking immorality. I agree with you that abortion is immoral.

Until a fetus is capable of sustaining life outside of the body of the mother, it is not a human being. It may be alive, and aborting it may result in its death. But it is not a human being until it is able to survive independent of its mother.

It is still wrong to abort a fetus. But prostitution is still wrong. Yet I don't think that should be illegal either. Even though I don't agree with it and believe it to be immoral.

That sustaining life argument is nonsense. Once science catches up and can sustain it from the cell onward, then does that mean they are human beings?

 

[Fields]

Yah that's the kind of abortion I am against...I would totally frown at that. So did her parents "convince" her to have the abortion? That sucks and it's wrong imo...

Yeah, they hid her and were ashamed, and to this day, that ex girlfriend faults me for all the pain and suffering she has had to live with.

 

[Mckarnin]

I'm a pro-choice male and I am curious as to whether anyone else here, male or female, is as well.

Pro-women, pro-children, pro-life...

I have done volunteer work with Feminists for Life Their motto is: "Women deserve better". They base their work on the writings of the founders of true feminism, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Pearl S. Buck, etc... They are non-religious, non-partisan, and they want to do away with the root causes of abortion by making a successful life, career and education possible for men and women who decide to keep their babies. I hate the fact that the vast majority of women who have abortions cite factors like: my boyfriend/husband/family doesn't support my pregnancy, I'll have to drop out of school, I'll lose my job or fall off my career path. If there is any such thing as a "good" reason to have an abortion those do not qualify.

 

[Eric21ND]

I'm "pro-women should decide this issue" because ultimately they are the one that must carry the burden. Abortion in some form has been praciticed for hundreds, if not thousands of years and will continue to do so no matter what happens. Natural spontaneous abortion happens in nature all the time in the animal kingdom. Try working at child protective services and you'd see the reality of what horrible parents some people truly are. These are children that can actually feel the physical and emotional pain of abuse, an embryo has no such capacity.

I believe proper sex education could help tremendously in preventing unwanted pregnancies. By proper I mean education based upon scientific facts and not tainted with bias or religious sentiment, i.e. abstinence only. All too often though young people are not given the truth about the effectiveness of properly used contraception, or worse yet birth control, condoms, etc, are purposely omitted from the presentation. It is often the same people that detest abortion the loudest that also want to deny teenagers any knowledge on the subject of sex. They would rather us all live in an intellectual dark age.

 

[LiberalDemForRP]

I'm pretty sure we can to and fro all day... I don't think either side is going to change their opinion within a thread. I appreciate and respect that everyone has a voice in the matter and that we can agree to disagree.

I think the OP was just trying to get a sense if he was the only one or if others in the RP supporter base were also pro-choice.

 

[fmontez]

I'd like to see these pro-choicers watch an ultrasound of an abortion taking place as the baby backs away from the vacuum and fights for its life and see the ripped and torn fetus sucked into a jar, and see how feel then.

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I hope this isn't too violent.. but, I would rather have them [pro child murders] experience a giant vacum sucking them up and mulching them... oh... perhaps that is too harsh.. I better not write that. Ignore that.

 

[Fields]

Pro-women, pro-children, pro-life...

I have done volunteer work with Feminists for Life Their motto is: "Women deserve better". They base their work on the writings of the founders of true feminism, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Pearl S. Buck, etc... They are non-religious, non-partisan, and they want to do away with the root causes of abortion by making a successful life, career and education possible for men and women who decide to keep their babies. I hate the fact that the vast majority of women who have abortions cite factors like: my boyfriend/husband/family doesn't support my pregnancy, I'll have to drop out of school, I'll lose my job or fall off my career path. If there is any such thing as a "good" reason to have an abortion those do not qualify.

Good call on the original feminists. People don't realize that feminism movement started years and years ago.

 

[tarabyte]

That sustaining life argument is nonsense. Once science catches up and can sustain it from the cell onward, then does that mean they are human beings?

You misinterpreted what I said. I didn't state that it was not alive. I stated that it was not a human being. That is the difference.

Your cells are alive. Billions of them die and billions are "born" each day. Does that make your individual cells human beings with individual rights too?

I'm sorry but until a fetus becomes viable to the point that a sentient life is capable of being sustained, it is not a human being. It is alive, and aborting it is killing it. But it is not a human being, any more than your cells are human beings. The sentience is what makes the different IMO.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I'm "pro-women should decide this issue" because ultimately they are the one that must carry the burden.

Wow, talk about a chauvinist... Or just a playa perhaps?

When I get a girl pregnant, we will BOTH be carrying the BLESSING...

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[LiberalDemForRP]

Wow, talk about a chauvinist... Or just a playa perhaps?

He sounded like someone stating his opinion. Why do you feel the need to resort to name-calling? Your argument would be better served by being respectful.