Another mass shooting? Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin

[John F Kennedy III]

i didn't.

The speculation I offered was that he is a dead hero, and is equally as possibly from the evidence and reports so far.
It is still speculation.

Just stop feeding the troll. He can't keep derailing threads if people don't respond to him.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Just stop feeding the troll. He can't keep derailing threads if people don't respond to him.

I'm not trolling. I'm simply calling you out on your bullshit so it doesn't really matter to me if you reply.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Sikh Shooting Ties Into DHS ‘Veterans as Terrorists’ Narrative


Lone gunman identified as US Army vet while reports of multiple shooters ignored

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, August 6, 2012

The tragic shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, which is now being treated as an act of domestic terrorism by the federal government, is set to be blamed on a US Army veteran, fitting perfectly the narrative pushed by the Department of Homeland Security that veterans are a terror threat on a par with Islamic extremists.


“The gunman who shot six people to death and wounded three others during a rampage at a Sikh temple in a Milwaukee suburb was an Army veteran who may have been a white supremacist, according to a law enforcement source involved in the investigation,” reports CNN.

The man was also described as having a “9/11″ tattoo on one arm, indicating to temple member Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka “that there’s some level of hate crime there.”

Of course, Sikhs adhere to a completely different religion than Muslims but that hasn’t stopped them falling victim to a number of racially charged attacks since September 11, 2011.

Despite the fact that a number of different eyewitnesses reported multiple shooters, the narrative of the lone gunman, a disgruntled US Army veteran, has now been fixed. This conveniently dovetails with recent efforts by the feds to demonize returning veterans as potential terrorists, which itself is part of the wider move to smear conservatives as domestic extremists.

The FBI has also gone out of its way to characterize returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan as a major domestic terrorist threat. Additionally, Janet Napolitano said she stood by an April 2009 DHS intelligence assessment that listed returning vets as likely domestic terrorists.


Just a month later, the New York Times reported on how Boy Scout Explorers were being trained by the DHS to kill “disgruntled Iraq war veterans” in terrorist drills.

Just as with the James Holmes ‘Batman’ massacre, overwhelming evidence of a wider plot has been immediately brushed aside while authorities and the media work feverishly to massage the narrative behind the SIkh shooting.

Testimony from one eyewitness that four men carried out the attack has been dismissed, despite the fact that his story is corroborated by other victims who told family members that there were “multiple shooters” involved.

In addition, the Chairman of the temple stated that there were a “few suspicious men were seen on Temple premises,” again clearly suggesting the involvement of more than one person.

Such testimony will be suffocated in a blitz of media hype and hand-wringing over the threat posed by veterans, conservatives and gun owners as the federal government further greases the skids for eviscerating Posse Comitatus and re-focusing the weaponry of the war on terror domestically to target adversaries of big government tyranny.


original article here:
http://www.infowars.com/sikh-shooting-ties-into-dhs-veterans-as-terrorists-narrative/

 

[dillo]

what happened to the 4 men dressed in black account

 

[pcosmar]

what happened to the 4 men dressed in black account

Being buried and ignored. or so it seems.

 

[libertygrl]

ignore

 

[pcosmar]

Wade Michael Page, Army veteran, identified as Sikh temple shooter

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center

Page “was the only shooter that was involved at the temple,” Edwards told reporters.

Page worked as a repair technician for the Hawk missile system and later was detailed to Psychological Operations as a specialist, the official said.

He said it then took a long time to clear the scene because police initially did not know whether any other shooters were inside. They concluded that Page acted alone, Edwards said.

Witnesses suggest otherwise.

The FBI is leading the investigation, with help from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and local police. Edwards said the shootings are being “treated as a domestic terrorist-type incident.” But federal law enforcement officials said it was too early to tell what happened and why.

From the Washington Post
National Security page,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8d8134-dfbd-11e1-a421-8bf0f0e5aa11_story.html

 

[pcosmar]

Sikh temple shooter identified as Wade Michael Page, skinhead band leader


From the Washington Post
National Security page,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8d8134-dfbd-11e1-a421-8bf0f0e5aa11_story.html

Same story..different headline. (they changed it)

 

[devil21]

what happened to the 4 men dressed in black account

The first reports I heard was a shooter wearing "tactical gear" and of course that led to discussion about the CO shooter's gear. Then next time I checked it turned into a bald white guy in a white tshirt and jeans. His tactical gear disappeared apparently.

 

[jonhowe]

And there it is. Mind controlled victim.

This literally made me laugh out loud.

 

[jonhowe]

what happened to the 4 men dressed in black account

The one told by the son of the woman being shot at, who wasn't there? Sounds reliable.

You people do realize that being shot at is really scary and disorienting, right? Which is more likely: "There were 4 shooters, government agents, who shot up the temple, then disappeared and were replaced by Wade, who then got shot and blamed, but still most people only saw one shooter" OR "People were confused while taking cover and being shot at"?
I know which one sounds more plausible to me. But that's just me.

 

[pcosmar]

You people do realize that being shot at is really scary and disorienting, right?

No actually,, I don't know that.
It has always sharpened my senses and the adrenalin rush speeds both thought and movement.

Have you ever actually fought for your life?

 

[scottditzen]

No actually,, I don't know that.
It has always sharpened my senses and the adrenalin rush speeds both thought and movement.

Have you ever actually fought for your life?

I'm guessing from your post that you have fought for your life. I'll go a step further and ask if you were trained for such activity? Anyone with a military background would naturally behave differently than the average person.

The people here weren't trained for this. I'm fairly certain their senses were not sharpened during this. I'm betting it was confusing as all hell.

 

[jonhowe]

No actually,, I don't know that.
It has always sharpened my senses and the adrenalin rush speeds both thought and movement.

Have you ever actually fought for your life?

I've had my close calls, but I've been lucky.

Something tells me a SOME people at church, who suddenly see their friends falling dead, might see some details incorrectly.


Now, in response to the post you quoted, which scenario seems more likely. Or is there a more likely one you can think of?

 

[pcosmar]

Or is there a more likely one you can think of?

Yes,, there were 4 shooters. A tactical team. The Guy outside was either with (lookout or getaway) them or possibly not.
Possibly a concerned citizen that saw the gunmen,, and wished to help. Shot by mistake.
The media and police are covering up ineptitude.

An equally valid speculation given apparent story.

 

[mport1]

The one told by the son of the woman being shot at, who wasn't there? Sounds reliable.

You people do realize that being shot at is really scary and disorienting, right? Which is more likely: "There were 4 shooters, government agents, who shot up the temple, then disappeared and were replaced by Wade, who then got shot and blamed, but still most people only saw one shooter" OR "People were confused while taking cover and being shot at"?
I know which one sounds more plausible to me. But that's just me.

Eyewitness testimony is very often inaccurate, especially in high stress situations.

"The Innocence Project, a non-profit organization which has worked on using DNA evidence in order to reopen criminal convictions that were made before DNA testing was available as a tool in criminal investigations, states that "Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide, playing a role in more than 75% of convictions overturned through DNA testing." In the United Kingdom, the Criminal Law Review Committee, writing in 1971, stated that cases of mistaken identification "constitute by far the greatest cause of actual or possible wrong convictions"

"The effect of stress on eyewitness recall is one of the most widely misunderstood of the factors commonly at play in a crime witness scenario. Studies have consistently shown that the presence of stress has a dramatically negative impact on the accuracy of eyewitness memory, a phenomenon which is often not appreciated by witnesses themselves. In a seminal study on this topic, Yale psychiatrist Charles Morgan and a team of researchers tested the ability of trained, military survival school students to identify their interrogators following low- and high-stress scenarios. In each condition, subjects were face-to-face with an interrogator for 40 minutes in a well-lit room. The following day, each participant was asked to select his or her interrogator out of either a live or photo lineup. In the case of the photo spread – the most common form of police lineup in the U.S. – those subjected to the high-stress scenario falsely identified someone other than the interrogator in 68% of cases, compared to only 12% from the low-stress scenario."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_identification

 

[jonhowe]

Eyewitness testimony is very often inaccurate, especially in high stress situations.

"The Innocence Project, a non-profit organization which has worked on using DNA evidence in order to reopen criminal convictions that were made before DNA testing was available as a tool in criminal investigations, states that "Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide, playing a role in more than 75% of convictions overturned through DNA testing." In the United Kingdom, the Criminal Law Review Committee, writing in 1971, stated that cases of mistaken identification "constitute by far the greatest cause of actual or possible wrong convictions"

"The effect of stress on eyewitness recall is one of the most widely misunderstood of the factors commonly at play in a crime witness scenario. Studies have consistently shown that the presence of stress has a dramatically negative impact on the accuracy of eyewitness memory, a phenomenon which is often not appreciated by witnesses themselves. In a seminal study on this topic, Yale psychiatrist Charles Morgan and a team of researchers tested the ability of trained, military survival school students to identify their interrogators following low- and high-stress scenarios. In each condition, subjects were face-to-face with an interrogator for 40 minutes in a well-lit room. The following day, each participant was asked to select his or her interrogator out of either a live or photo lineup. In the case of the photo spread – the most common form of police lineup in the U.S. – those subjected to the high-stress scenario falsely identified someone other than the interrogator in 68% of cases, compared to only 12% from the low-stress scenario."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_identification

Exactly.


And where did the other 4 shooters go? No one saw them leave?

 

[kathy88]

Exactly.


And where did the other 4 shooters go? No one saw them leave?

They got in their space ship and went home. Duh.

 

[jcannon98188]

1st off, to the guys making the alien lines. Bravo sirs. Bravo.
2nd off, I totally believe in aliens.

3rd. Something about this entire story reeks of coverup. I am with those of you questions what is going on here, the MSM is def. not telling the truth

 

[thoughtomator]

3rd. Something about this entire story reeks of coverup. I am with those of you questions what is going on here, the MSM is def. not telling the truth

All we need is record of active involvement with a psychiatrist and it fits the Loughner/Holmes model to a "t" - this alleged shooter actually worked for government psyops directly, which begs the question, did that involvement ever really end?