And so it begins... Rand under attack by the left after Maddow

I was just upset that Rand wouldn't answer Rachel Maddow's questions directly. He would go off on some historical tidbit or some other statute, but then he would never return to answer the question that she asked.

Come on, Rand. You can do better, man.

Actually that's exactly what he needed to do because otherwise they could create a soundbyte that had Rand saying he thought it was OK for business owners to refuse blacks.. when he does NOT thing it is ok, but at the same time, not the government's job to regulate speech.
 
Actually that's exactly what he needed to do because otherwise they could create a soundbyte that had Rand saying he thought it was OK for business owners to refuse blacks.. when he does NOT thing it is ok, but at the same time, not the government's job to regulate speech.

Correct. Imagine Rand's words or a quick soundbyte put over a 1960s civil disturbance footage from Selma, Alabama. Yes, they would go there.
 
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I understand what Rand is saying but I wish he would've found another way to put this.

People will also associate him with his father (naturally) and my friends who told me "Ron Paul is racist" will now be telling me "I told you so".

I don't think he is. But disappointed in this interview, and the fallout.

If your friends think the Pauls are racist based on this, maybe you should educate them a little more.
 
Before everybody jumps to the defense of something that's somewhat indefensible, maybe you should wait a few hours.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37256695/ns/politics/

He added, “I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws.”

Like I said before, people talking out of their asses here have never been denied housing because of their race.
 
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He added, “I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws.”

Wasn't this exactly what he was saying on Maddow, though? This is stated a hair more strongly, that's the only difference. His opinion is still the same.
 
When Congress hailed the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act on July 3, 2004. The heroic Ron Paul was the only member of Congress to vote No. Here was his statement.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.
 
This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce.

He's right about the jurisdictional issue. It's yet another stretch of the interstate commerce clause.

The property rights arguments aren't so solid, though. Property has never been construed to mean you have the absolute right to exchange goods and assets you own under any pretense or circumstances.

For instance Ron Paul is a medical doctor with a medical license. Under his view of "property rights," anybody should be able to practice medicine, to claim to be a medical doctor. After all, what right is it of the government to say when owners of medical supplies and knowledge can exchange them with other people. It's an infringement on their property rights after all. The very idea of "Dr. Paul" is an infringement, bias, exclusion on the property rights of people who don't have government issued medical licenses. Dr. Paul belongs to a government mandated monopoly.
 
What they're trying to do, seemingly, is take laws that the Democrats like, and the Democrats think people like, and try to imply that the Republicans oppose those laws. I rarely watch news on TV these days. On election night I watched Fox Business and Fox News. One of the hosts was questioning a US Rep from Kansas I believe, and tried to get her to say that she'd cut Social Security. The Dems know people want to keep their Social Security, and when the Republicans talk about making cuts, the Dems want people to think that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

Republicans need to figure out how to answer those questions, especially since those questions are predictable. Rand Paul should win in November, I guess if Rand wins it means people are against the Civil Rights Act.
 
Not all my friends, but some of them. And I agree.

Out of curiosity, were they already looking for a reason not to like him, or were they genuinely turned off by this particular issue?

EDIT: Ah, I just read your earlier post...it seems the friends you're referring to are already emotionally invested in "proving him racist" anyway. That's comforting, at least (it'd be more discouraging if someone actually went in with an open mind and went out thinking he was a racist).
 
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When Congress hailed the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act on July 3, 2004. The heroic Ron Paul was the only member of Congress to vote No. Here was his statement.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

+1
 
Out of curiosity, were they already looking for a reason not to like him, or were they genuinely turned off by this particular issue?

EDIT: Ah, I just read your earlier post...it seems the friends you're referring to are already emotionally invested in "proving him racist" anyway. That's comforting, at least (it'd be more discouraging if someone actually went in with an open mind and went out thinking he was a racist).

Most of my friends don't follow politics and don't care. It's an apathy problem but it is what it is.

My friends that do follow politics are unfortunately primarily in Obama's camp. Both white and black. While I understand where Rand is coming from it is a terrible issue to argue and leads to nothing but bad things. It's like arguing about the confederate flag. It's 2010 let's drop the bullshit and focus on the real issues.

Here's what it does:

1. All the white supremacists at Stormfront who have been saying for years that Ron is closetly one of them jump for joy and have a big party. So you get that relatively small demographic.

2. You lose a much bigger demographic (both white and black) that now thinks you support discrimination.

I honestly cannot wait for this to blow over so we can focus on the real issues. I think Rand handled it poorly and I hope he learns from it. He is a smart guy so I imagine he will. I am a big fan of Ron and Rand obviously.
 
Most of my friends don't follow politics and don't care. It's an apathy problem but it is what it is.

My friends that do follow politics are unfortunately primarily in Obama's camp. Both white and black. While I understand where Rand is coming from it is a terrible issue to argue and leads to nothing but bad things. It's like arguing about the confederate flag. It's 2010 let's drop the bullshit and focus on the real issues.

Here's what it does:

1. All the white supremacists at Stormfront who have been saying for years that Ron is closetly one of them jump for joy and have a big party. So you get that relatively small demographic.

2. You lose a much bigger demographic (both white and black) that now thinks you support discrimination.

I honestly cannot wait for this to blow over so we can focus on the real issues. I think Rand handled it poorly and I hope he learns from it. He is a smart guy so I imagine he will. I am a big fan of Ron and Rand obviously.

You won't get any argument from me there; it's just frustrating when other people bring the issue up to divert attention from the real issues. You end up choosing between equivocation or trying to explain why you must apply your principles to corner cases too for them to be principles at all (whether private property, following the Constitution, or whatever). Neither option is desirable, because the first option is dishonest pandering, and the second option makes it easy for vipers to misrepresent your views...which is exactly what any talking head bringing up this topic is looking to do in the first place.
 
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He's right about the jurisdictional issue. It's yet another stretch of the interstate commerce clause.

The constitutional issue of judicial doctrine is extremely relevant.

Do the words in the constitution mean what they were written to mean or can congress redefine what the words mean through democratic process at the ballot box?

How should one view a judicial branch of the federal club that is supposed provide an important role in a system of checks and balances to ensure government follows the rule of law?

The property rights arguments aren't so solid, though. Property has never been construed to mean you have the absolute right to exchange goods and assets you own under any pretense or circumstances.

For instance Ron Paul is a medical doctor with a medical license. Under his view of "property rights," anybody should be able to practice medicine, to claim to be a medical doctor. After all, what right is it of the government to say when owners of medical supplies and knowledge can exchange them with other people. It's an infringement on their property rights after all. The very idea of "Dr. Paul" is an infringement, bias, exclusion on the property rights of people who don't have government issued medical licenses. Dr. Paul belongs to a government mandated monopoly.

Dr. Paul's view is rooted in the individuals natural and unlimited right to contract guaranteed by the constitution:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

If I want to contract with you and provide medical services we are free to do so. However since Congress can define what the word contract means the government infringes upon contracts.
 
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