And so it begins... Rand under attack by the left after Maddow

[Sentient Void]

Not surprised of course... but I was wondering how they would play that interview, so i did a quick google search and LOTS of stuff pulled up.

Here's one:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/politics/2010/05/19/rachel_maddow_demolishes_rand_paul

and another:

http://trueslant.com/jamellebouie/2010/05/20/rand-paul-fails-epically-on-the-rachel-maddow-show/

 

[hugolp]

They are scared, very scared.

 

[itshappening]

Rand said at the end they would be dishonest if they drew any other conclusions and they are..

 

[furface]

Rand should be careful with this one. He's showing a bit of naivete. Not racism, but a lack of experience.

There's a temporal side of this. The issue is mute today with fierce competition and the internet.

Does Rand know any minorities that had to look for housing in back before about 1980? I doubt it. I do.

One of the things that I don't see discussed much is that modern technology, mobility, and production gains have made a lot of libertarian ideas work where they probably wouldn't have worked a couple of decades ago.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

You can't seriously believe without the civil rights act we would still have separate water fountains. He has the right opinion, he should stick by it. Let the left play their games.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

No one watches MSNBC. Ok, maybe like 6 guys, but they all work there... It doesn't matter

 

[furface]

You can't seriously believe without the civil rights act we would still have separate water fountains. He has the right opinion, he should stick by it. Let the left play their games.

The issue isn't about separate water fountains. It's about things like housing and medical care. Housing becomes a metaphor for public schools, so if you can have segregated private housing, you're also going to have segregated public schools, etc.

Like I said in a previous post. These ideas may work today, but back in the 1950s things were a lot different. We didn't have the Internet where if we couldn't get a product from one place we'd find another 100 sellers in a few seconds.

What about employment? What does Rand believe about fair employment laws?

 

[free1]

Under law, he's technically correct, the government should stay out of the race issue. It has no authority there.

And the People shouldn't be racist because that damages / hurts people, it's just not right.

A good maneuver would be "Race is not an issue in this country anymore, we are all proud Americans, why do you keep bringing it up? Are you trying to be racist? Trying to divide and conquer?".

 

[angelatc]

Rand should be careful with this one. He's showing a bit of naivete. Not racism, but a lack of experience.

There's a temporal side of this. The issue is mute today with fierce competition and the internet.

Does Rand know any minorities that had to look for housing in back before about 1980? I doubt it. I do.

One of the things that I don't see discussed much is that modern technology, mobility, and production gains have made a lot of libertarian ideas work where they probably wouldn't have worked a couple of decades ago.

I don't get it. What does the Civil Rights Act of 1964 have to do with the 1980's housing market?

I grew up in a mixed neighborhood, graduated high school in 1981, so I'm also seeing another problem with your analogy.

 

[angelatc]

The issue isn't about separate water fountains. It's about things like housing and medical care. Housing becomes a metaphor for public schools, so if you can have segregated private housing, you're also going to have segregated public schools, etc.

Like I said in a previous post. These ideas may work today, but back in the 1950s things were a lot different. We didn't have the Internet where if we couldn't get a product from one place we'd find another 100 sellers in a few seconds.

What about employment? What does Rand believe about fair employment laws?

But segregated housing still exists. I'll venture to say you can find tons of apartment buildings in Manhattan with boards who would never approve a black owner.

And you'll also still find homeowners who will not sell to a minority.

Those ideas were right then, and they're fine now.

 

[furface]

I don't get it. What does the Civil Rights Act of 1964 have to do with the 1980's housing market?

I grew up in a mixed neighborhood, graduated high school in 1981, so I'm also seeing another problem with your analogy.

You've obviously never been refused housing because of your race.

 

[BillyDkid]

You've obviously never been refused housing because of your race.

You either believe in private property and the right to do as you wish with your own property or you don't. This idea that government somehow opened to doors for minorities is a complete fallacy. I was refused an apartment when I was 19 because I had long hair. Me and my friends were refused entry into a skating rink because of our hair. Now, I think that is stupid and short sighted, but it was the owners right to refuse me. Even if your premises were correct, that it is because of government mandates that minorities were able to find housing, you are arguing from expediency rather than principle and there is a long, long history of political expediency, even in the name of good intentions, leading only to misery and injustice.

 

[Theocrat]

Rand Should Cut to the Chase

I was just upset that Rand wouldn't answer Rachel Maddow's questions directly. He would go off on some historical tidbit or some other statute, but then he would never return to answer the question that she asked.

An example is this: when Rachel asked Rand if he would support Bob Jones University going back to banning interracial relationships, he should have just said, "No, I don't, but I also don't support the federal government telling a private entity how to treat its students, either. Here's why..." Instead, he went off about gun carriers being allowed to bring their guns into private restaurants, and how they view it as a public right. It was irrelevant to what Rachel was asking.

Come on, Rand. You can do better, man.

 

[Original_Intent]

I'm with Rand. If people would think it through they would see that his approach is the only way to put the final nail in the racism coffin. Let the asshats who WOULD have racist or discriminatory policies implement them in their own business. Then, not only do black people unknowingly support racists with their business, but 95% of the non racist white population will quit giving them their business as well. Let them make the lousy business decisions so that the battle lines can be drawn and we can use the free market to prove that racism is a recipe for failure. People are going to let go of racism a lot easier if they "get there" on their own, they will only dig in their heels if they feel that government is trying to force them how to think.

I really hated how Maddow ran that interview, but the bottom line is I think even people who were already "her fans" are seeing exactly what she was angling for and she probably lost some respect in their eyes. Rand didn;t hurt himself among his base, and probably won over more fence sitters than not with his principled and consistent position.

 

[Light]

I hope this interview enlightens the people here that the left is not on our side, and are even more vicious than the neocons (unlike the neocons they actually have influence outside of a political party). We have come so far, and we need to finish the fight. The marxists (the leftists, globalists, neocons, etc.) are running scared that someone like Paul has made it this far, their hegemony could very well be tearing apart by the seems. We need to send a message that will rock the foundation of their empire, and begin the slow march toward liberty. That message is that we will no longer be intimidated by baseless slurs such as "racist", "homophobe", "xenophobe". If their magic enchantment breaks, so do their hold on their so-called "intellectual high ground".

 

[cindy25]

You can't seriously believe without the civil rights act we would still have separate water fountains. He has the right opinion, he should stick by it. Let the left play their games.

water fountains that are government owned are different from private restaurants

 

[silentshout]

Well i come from the left and the only issue i had was ...why the heck are they even focusing on this? He is not running to repeal this act. I thought he acted very cool and composed and i felt bad for him...made me embarrassed for the media honestly..it was like a witch hunt.

 

[catdd]

Federal intervention creates more problems than it solves, that much is for sure.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I understand what Rand is saying but I wish he would've found another way to put this.

People will also associate him with his father (naturally) and my friends who told me "Ron Paul is racist" will now be telling me "I told you so".

I don't think he is. But disappointed in this interview, and the fallout.

 

[American Idol]

I understand what Rand is saying but I wish he would've found another way to put this.

People will also associate him with his father (naturally) and my friends who told me "Ron Paul is racist" will now be telling me "I told you so".

I don't think he is. But disappointed in this interview, and the fallout.

The "fallout" is so blatantly manufactured it will almost certainly backfire. The establishment media are losing credibility by the day. Desperate, coordinated attacks like this will only accelerate its demise. Sure, a few dummies will still buy into the facade, but the majority of Americans, especially in the Heartland and in Kentucky, have had it. PC be damned...