An email from an Atlanta RP meetup member in Iowa

I remember when campaign strategist Anita Andrews told us "Don't trust computers. Have paper backups of everything". If this is true then it underscores what ALL of us need to be doing locally. Don't be "environmentally friendly". Kill a few trees if you have to printing out all of your databases. Make sure this doesn't happen again.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
The enemy is failure to learn from our mistakes.

Freedom is a complicated concept. We need to find out what people aren't getting and formulate short comprehensible "edubites".

One thing is we need inoculate Ron from the "crazy baiters." All revolutionary ideas sound crazy and taking the bait to try to explain a complex idea in a few words is a oneway route to ridicule.

Ron needs to disarm criticism of his concepts by pointing out in a free system one man can't swing a scimitar and lop off entire departments; e.g., "Transition to efficiency is a long and hard road, can't happen without consensus, the path isn't as important as the goal and progress toward the goal" etc.

I think because Ron has been preaching his message for so long he doesn't appreciate how complex its foundations are.

I first came to know Ron via a book he published long ago called, "The Closing Door".
 
We didn't get out the vote. We had the support to get 3rd but didn't get the vote out.

If THIS is the reason... I hate whoever's fault this is and that person deserves to be punished to the fullest extent that can be managed. I'm not sure what can be learned by this as this appears to be the campaign's fault and not the grassroots.

I mean, the campaign doesn't learn. They will still try to manage everything and it's pretty obvious they are incapable of doing so effectively. It's just like big government really. The damn officials never do anything right.

Truly we have seen the enemy and it isn't the MSN. It's the Ron Paul campaign. It makes sense. They get paid either way so why would they care about how good a job they are doing and no matter how much we complain, nothing changes. They will screw us over again and again in the future. Sure, everyone forget about Iowa and instead lets think about how the campaign will fail us in Wyoming and then NH. This thread makes me madder then anything I have read so far.

If you have any suggestions on how we can organize better, please post them here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=75359
 
Okay, why the fuck would this information be kept on a computer? It should have been printed, on paper, so that it was tamper proof. That's ridiculous.

It has to be compiled on the fly. Paper would be unmanageable.
 
Iowa is an opportunity for us to learn our weaknesses. That applies to both the campaign and the grassroots.

We will be much stronger from all of this and I see positives in the fact that we can break it down on so many levels where we have went wrong.
 
Is the order to suspend operation Call-4-Paul really come from HQ?

Anyone confirmed that?
 
This sounds right...I was on the phone with Meagan the whole day


May I politely ask why this information wasn't disseminated to the forums YESTERDAY? I'll bet we could have come up with some type of help. Jeez.. this is beyond excuse and if someone at the campaign is responsible for this, firing needs to occur. But beyond that.. .for any member of this forum to know this was going on and not put out a call for help is beyond me.

Or was a call for help put out and I didn't see it, excuse me if that's the case but it doesn' t sound like it.

what a cluster...
 
Iowa is an opportunity for us to learn our weaknesses. That applies to both the campaign and the grassroots.

We will be much stronger from all of this and I see positives in the fact that we can break it down on so many levels where we have went wrong.

Yes, your point is right. Maybe this is our warning shot across the bow. We really need to own the precinct captain program. I've signed up as have several in my meetup.
 
On Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM, Ben Hodges <[email protected]> wrote:


Our job? Call every Ron Paul supporter in the state (our numbers were bigger than Huckabee's)...


But then at 2:30 in the morning, all the camp leaders received a phone call that the database the Des Moines office put together of all our phone banking and door-to-door canvassing was totally scrambled, jumbled, and even partly deleted. All the data was scattered and completely jumbled. Missing phone numbers. Missing precincts. A big box of random data. Thousands and thousands of voters.


We were looking at a day of turning out over 17,000 voters. We maybe called 300.

In any case, the database the Des Moines office was supposed to be compiling was completely compromised, either technically or personally. The word used to describe the master file was "unusable."


CONFIRMED BY ANOTHER MEMBER


This is what cost us Iowa. The campaign failed to backup their data and was not able to provide the 250 student volunteers (which I am one) with the list of the supporters. Instead, we were given a shitty list of wrong numbers, dead people, and non-supporters to call just 2 hours before the caucuses started.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=74486&page=6
 
May I politely ask why this information wasn't disseminated to the forums YESTERDAY? I'll bet we could have come up with some type of help. Jeez.. this is beyond excuse and if someone at the campaign is responsible for this, firing needs to occur. But beyond that.. .for any member of this forum to know this was going on and not put out a call for help is beyond me.

Or was a call for help put out and I didn't see it, excuse me if that's the case but it doesn' t sound like it.

what a cluster...


First off, I think we did OK in Iowa. Certainly not the end of the world, but the problem is that by all indications we could have easily done so much better if it wasn't for so many screw ups.

My biggest frustration with this HQ is why are they so secretive?

They have the biggest grassroots in the history backing them yet they treat us like we are strangers. What could be so secretive that they can't freaking communicate with us!!!!

Stop acting like you are Bush and running the war on terror and start freaking communicating with us. A simple Youtube video could easily be disseminated and all 3000 of us on the forums would have gotten any message. We had the power of 3000, yet we were left in the dark.
 
I got pretty far along on that route. No one knew me, I went to the Iowa straw poll, met people, joined all the meetups in Virginia and traveled to them, build pauls parachute, built pauls petition and headed the drive. it was working for a while until the campaign came along. I've been screaming this "incompetence" for a while, first as disbelief, then in anger. The campaign is beyond worthless. Wake up folks, get organized. In short, raise some money and start a parallel campaign. It may be too late now, but can't wait until 2012 now can you?

I'm so over the campaign and working for naught but sign waving while the politics of winning get hampered down to reverse gear, I'm simply fighting the Real ID legislation. I'm not sure how the campaign can stop me but they have already taken my web designer right out from under me.

Anyone care about Real ID and realize we have just six weeks left to fight it in Virginia? Didn't the campaign tell you?

Virginia Real ID Meetup

Everyone's welcome to join and help.


This is a sentiment that I keep seeing on all of the RP boards. It has validity and should not be met with snarky comments. If anything, exchange phone numbers to share encouragement and immediate help.

This data corruption thing is the most disturbing stuff I've read. Who the hell is responsible for it? I don't know anything about computers but I know enough that anything not backed up is subject to loss, in a milisecond. The magnitude of this cannot be understated.

From what I can gather, there needs to be several people in every state, who has data base lists and who back them up, every freaking day.

There is public information (voter rolls at county clearks, I think) and there is PRIVATE information, such as campaign contributor lists. Those lists are PRICELESS. Who controls the list for all of the donors and is backed up in multiple copies, every day? This just scares the shit out of me.

To give you an idea of how valuable these lists are, Morris Dees, head of the EXTREMELY un-American, Southern Poverty Law Center, was a campaign manager for George McGovern, in exchange for the contributors list, ONLY.

Naturally, contributors are not always the target audience of every calling campaign. Sometimes it's Republicans who voted in the last election, or Independents. Many of those lists are public, obtained from the county. Long ago, when I worked phone banks on campaigns, every caller had a huge printout of names and phone numbers. That should have been ready in Iowa.

I would love share any insight that my meager experience has taught me, but I know it will only go as far as this post and those who read it. I have no idea how to reach any campaign people. I'll send this to my Meetup coordinator, as well. Dunno what else to do. The official campaign seems out of reach, without a good line of communication.
 
I received a call at 6:15.

Listened to it on my machine when I came home thinking it was stupid to get a call that late. It takes me 20 minutes to drive to the precinct site.
 
Is the order to suspend operation Call-4-Paul really come from HQ?

Anyone confirmed that?

NO.. phuck!!! Why is this being disseminated. NO NO NO NO NO.

CALL4PAUL is the only real organized LIVE volunteer phone banking grassroots service, so of course - HQ has a problem, then the newbie volunteers immediately assume its us. Though they can't produce ANY verification, no call numbers, no messages - nothing!!!

STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT.

CALL4PAUL is up and running and the leads we supply are GOLDEN. We have been told "your voter leads are golden! MUCH BETTER than what we get from paid sources"
 
If this is true it's truly unfortunate. I can't believe no one kept a back up of the database. Even a partial one that was usable. Ugh.

if this is true its a pathetic mistake to make shit, whenever i have a power point presentation I have 3 backups, lol...

If this is true then we NEED TO MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN NH....
 
Christ on a crutch! Talk about frustrating. The worst part is we probably won't ever get a clear explanation of what happened (if anything) from anyone in charge, or what they're doing to prevent it in the future.

We're all powerless and in the dark out here.
 
NO.. phuck!!! Why is this being disseminated. NO NO NO NO NO.

CALL4PAUL is the only real organized LIVE volunteer phone banking grassroots service, so of course - HQ has a problem, then the newbie volunteers immediately assume its us. Though they can't produce ANY verification, no call numbers, no messages - nothing!!!

STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT.

CALL4PAUL is up and running and the leads we supply are GOLDEN. We have been told "your voter leads are golden! MUCH BETTER than what we get from paid sources"

+1
 
Is there anyway to confirm this story, as we need to make sure this
doesn't happen again if this is accurate.
 
BUMP FOR OFFICIAL CAMPAIGN INPUT.

(That may have to be a 10-megaton BUMP...but what the hey...)
 
Is there anyway to confirm this story, as we need to make sure this
doesn't happen again if this is accurate.

Look a page or 2 back, another poster apparently confirmed this happened in another topic.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...t=74486&page=6

"This is what cost us Iowa. The campaign failed to backup their data and was not able to provide the 250 student volunteers (which I am one) with the list of the supporters. Instead, we were given a shitty list of wrong numbers, dead people, and non-supporters to call just 2 hours before the caucuses started."

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This is bull****. We could have easily gotten 3rd place and been riding momentum into NH. This type of crap is unacceptable.
 
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