America Will See Its Worst Race Riot Yet This Summer

[JK/SEA]

Do you think he is guilty?

yep.

The case can be made that Martin was exercising self defense.

 

[Origanalist]

yep.

The case can be made that Martin was exercising self defense.

Wait, what?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Zimmerman was on the block watch lookout program and followed a suspicious Trayvon Martin after he used an improper entrance to a gated community. Zimmerman was acting as the eyes and ears of the Sanford Police Department. Martin did not like being followed and knew that he could easily beat up the out-of-shape Zimmerman and did so.

It was the main entrance to the community, not an "improper" one and Martin lived there just as Zimmerman did. He was staying with his uncle. He had done nothing other than walking by that was "suspicious" which would have given Zimmerman grounds to follow him.

Some people seem to be hoping for race riots since "they" do them "all the time".

Zimmerman’s prior 911 calls were somehow supposed to show he was out-of-control but he always merely reported suspicious activity as he was told to do.

While Zimmerman was on the phone with police, he jumped out of his truck and started to run after Martin- despite Martin having done nothing other than stare back at him. The police told him not to go after him that they were on their way. He briefly stopped and told the cops he would meet them by the main entrance. But he did not go there and do "what he was supposet to do". He continued after Martin- the confrontation occured between where Zimmerman was when he called the cops and the place where Martin was staying.

Martin did not like being followed and knew that he could easily beat up the out-of-shape Zimmerman and did so.

Zimmerman was bigger and was carrying a gun. How would you react if somebody jumped out of their car and started following you for no reason?

 

[Origanalist]

It was the main entrance to the community not an improper one and Martin lived there just as Zimmerman did. He was staying with his uncle. He had done nothing other than walking by that was "suspicious" and gave Zimmerman grounds to follow him.

Some people seem to be hoping for race riots since "they" do them "all the time".



While Zimmerman was on the phone with police, he jumped out of his truck and started to run after Martin- despite Martin having done nothing other than stare back at him. The police told him not to go after him that they were on their way. He briefly stopped and told the cops he would meet them by the main entrance. But he did not go there and do "what he was supposet to do". He continued after Martin- the confrontation occured between where Zimmerman was when he called the cops and the place where Martin was staying.

It's nice to have a eyewitness.

 

[belian78]

I was under the impression that when Zimmerman called the cops, they told him not to pursue and to leave the person alone. Is that incorrect? Because if it's accurate, I don't see how Zimmerman gets off scott free, without at least involuntary manslaughter or something that that effect. If he was told not to pursue, but did anyway, and Martin died subsequently because of that Zimmerman is responsible for that kid's death directly.

 

[belian78]

While Zimmerman was on the phone with police, he jumped out of his truck and started to run after Martin- despite Martin having done nothing other than stare back at him. The police told him not to go after him that they were on their way. He briefly stopped and told the cops he would meet them by the main entrance. But he did not go there and do "what he was supposet to do". He continued after Martin- the confrontation occured between where Zimmerman was when he called the cops and the place where Martin was staying.

This is what I was talking about. If this is accurate, then he has to be guilty of at least negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter, something that that effect, right? I mean, I'm all for someone having the right to defend themselves with lethal force, but not if you create the situation.

 

[Origanalist]

This is what I was talking about. If this is accurate, then he has to be guilty of at least negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter, something that that effect, right? I mean, I'm all for someone having the right to defend themselves with lethal force, but not if you create the situation.

I suggest you read what you just wrote and think real hard about that. By "creating the situation" do you mean "not following orders" given by the "authorities"?

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Zimmerman will probably be found not guilty.

I'd sure like to know why Martin attacked him that evening. What provoked him? I don't think he hit Zimmerman just because he felt like it.

 

[Working Poor]

Do you think he is guilty?

I really don't know. But I still think there will be a conviction. This the just-us system we are talking about here. I think Zimmerman is goung to be made an example of. The jury is all female. Women who coyld pass prosecution scrunity surely must be slightly anti gun.This case is about gun violence women are more likely to be againts gun ownership.

 

[belian78]

I suggest you read what you just wrote and think real hard about that. By "creating the situation" do you mean "not following orders" given by the "authorities"?

I mean he followed Martin, he created the situation that escalated between them. All it was, was a kid walking through a neighborhood, how is that in any way suspicious or deserving of being chased down and confronted?

 

[Zippyjuan]

This is what I was talking about. If this is accurate, then he has to be guilty of at least negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter, something that that effect, right? I mean, I'm all for someone having the right to defend themselves with lethal force, but not if you create the situation.

All that info comes from the phone call Zimmerman himself made to the police aside from the location where Martin was killed.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The Ministry of Truth can turn on a dime, and the fury of the ignorant masses can be redirected at will.

Zimmerman, Paula Deen, everyone get all worked up. Django Unchained will be playing on TV 24x7 by the time the verdict comes out.

 

[Nobexliberty]

There is another thread about the Z-man, this therad is about the "riot" if is not guilty.

 

[Origanalist]

I mean he followed Martin, he created the situation that escalated between them. All it was, was a kid walking through a neighborhood, how is that in any way suspicious or deserving of being chased down and confronted?

Well, you would seem to be right about that from all that I've heard. I guess it comes down to who initiated the violence, i.e. who struck first.

 

[Origanalist]

There is another thread about the Z-man, this therad is about the "riot" if is not guilty.

Pretty new here, arntcha?

 

[kahless]

If you attack someone you better expect the worst case consequence of that. Zimmerman was neighborhood watch and had every right to question. If someone questions you it does not give you a right to throw punches.

This case is putting our communities at risk. It is setting up a narrative that no one can ever question anyone especially if the person being questioned is black. If a black dude is walking the eves around my house and I question him, he attacks me, I defend myself but I am the one that is in the wrong? This is BS!

There is a reason this case is in the national spotlight. The purpose is to advance the disarmament agenda, weaken private security, neighborhood watch associations and in-grain in the American psyche that self defense is wrong and total reliance on law enforcement for self defense is optimal.

I get questioned by people in my neighborhood, I do not like it but I do not attack them and if I did I would be wrong - deserving of the consequences especially if I am putting their life at risk.

 

[Anti Federalist]

FUCK THEM!

THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAD ABOUT OSCAR GRANT NOT THIS FUCKING WANKSTER!!!

That!

 

[MelissaWV]

If you attack someone you better expect the worst case consequence of that. Zimmerman was neighborhood watch and had every right to question. If someone questions you it does not give you a right to throw punches.

This case is putting our communities at risk. It is setting up a narrative that no one can ever question anyone especially if the person being questioned is black. If a black dude is walking the eves around my house and I question him, he attacks me, I defend myself but I am the one that is in the wrong? This is BS!

There is a reason this case is in the national spotlight. The purpose is to advance the disarmament agenda, weaken private security, neighborhood watch associations and in-grain in the American psyche that self defense is wrong and total reliance on law enforcement for self defense is optimal.

I get questioned by people in my neighborhood, I do not like it but I do not attack them and if I did I would be wrong - deserving of the consequences especially if I am putting their life at risk.

This is a pretty vague perception of the case.

Let's flip your hypothetical around, shall we?

You're walking around the neighborhood you or a loved one lives in. Someone you don't know comes up to you, sounding a bit hostile to start with (Zimmerman doesn't exactly sound calm or sweet in his calls), and starts demanding to know what you're doing there. You don't know this person is Neighborhood Watch (and there are conflicting reports, even after the fact, as to whether or not he actually WAS Neighborhood Watch). You just know it's dark and rainy and some guy is hassling you about walking around where you have a right to be walking around.

Right there, that's just the ingredients for a fist fight of some sort.

But there are additional factors in this case. For starters, no, the confrontation that initially took place --- the questioning --- is not where shots were fired. This is where the idea of self-defense gets a little wobbly. Not to mention that Zimmerman, in the past, has talked about Martin going for Zimmerman's gun, which is what elevated it to a kill-or-be-killed moment.

This is why some kind of "race riot" is going to be bullshit. It's a case with unique aspects that should be judged on its own merits. That's unlikely to be the outcome.

 

[angelatc]

Well, of the tweets, I saw one calling for riots and 2 calling for lynch mobs. All three tweeters were female.

I think he's exaggerating how dire the situation is just a wee bit...

-t

Ive seen some tweets calling for the murder of white boys if theres an innocent verdict.

 

[Ender]

I suggest you read what you just wrote and think real hard about that. By "creating the situation" do you mean "not following orders" given by the "authorities"?

By not doing what Neighborhood Watch has been trained to do: WATCH & REPORT.

Also, Zimmerman has a past of violence and temper. He also has a past of wannabe cop.