America 1950 vs. America 2012

[NewRightLibertarian]

LOL. enjoy. I can see why people don't take some Ron Paul fans seriously,

Yeah, you see that everytime you look in a mirror.

they start by complaining what's wrong with this country, when you ask them what country is better, they don't have an answer. Some go one step and say "this is global", so unless the whole world is under THEIR control, rest assured they'll always find something to complain about.

I can barely make any sense of your moronic ramblings. Not only are you a coward but an imbecile as well.

 

[SL89]

It's not my concern what China does to their workers, you are free to pay them more if you like. I'm not complaining about cheaper goods.

REALLY? Lol. I don't want you near me when it all goes south. That is more racist than anything I have seen on these boards. ( oh, if it doesn't effect me personally I'll do what I will, no matter what the cost to those less fortunate) *facepalm

 

[onlyrp]

Yeah, you see that everytime you look in a mirror.

I can barely make any sense of your moronic ramblings. Not only are you a coward but an imbecile as well.

Namecalling will get you far.

 

[onlyrp]

REALLY? Lol. I don't want you near me when it all goes south. That is more racist than anything I have seen on these boards. ( oh, if it doesn't effect me personally I'll do what I will, no matter what the cost to those less fortunate) *facepalm

it has nothing to do with race, it's just selfishness. Well, if you want to judge me, you're free to lend a hand to those who need you, you just might keep things from going south.

 

[SL89]

it has nothing to do with race, it's just selfishness. Well, if you want to judge me, you're free to lend a hand to those who need you, you just might keep things from going south.

Lol. I am poor by all means. I grow my own food and take care of those around me despite everything. I NEVER buy, slave labor products. NEVER. So stfu. You are not going to get away with convincing me that slave labor is a product of the free market. It's a matter of choice. And in a truly free market, this would be a mute issue.

 

[onlyrp]

Lol. I am poor by all means. I grow my own food and take care of those around me despite everything. I NEVER buy, slave labor products. NEVER. So stfu. You are not going to get away with convincing me that slave labor is a product of the free market. It's a matter of choice. And in a truly free market, this would be a mute issue.

Calm down man. It's definitely a matter of choice, which is why I believe it's a product of the (pretty much free internationally) market. Yes, I understand you are poor, so your choices are limited. You've just shown that you have a choice to not buy slave labor products, and I exercise my choice to buy whatever I find best, so it IS pretty much a moot point.

 

[SL89]

Calm down man. It's definitely a matter of choice, which is why I believe it's a product of the (pretty much free internationally) market. Yes, I understand you are poor, so your choices are limited. You've just shown that you have a choice to not buy slave labor products, and I exercise my choice to buy whatever I find best, so it IS pretty much a moot point.

So you have more money than me... And you still choose to buy from a market source that exploits children. Good for you. Maybe if I did the same I would have more money to spend in this dead economy. hmmm. No thanks.



PS, I doubt very much that you have more than me anyway.


I am all for free markets. If the FEDS would get off of our backs, we could compete. But, that does not negate the responsibility of the citizen to support his neighbor. This is an uphill fight. I don't know about you but, I'll take the high ground. It is worth it to pay 20% more for goods produced by my neighbors. Certainly when the so called cheap goods are produced by children. And that is the kicker. If they could produce a quality item without exploiting children then this whole conversation would be different. Working 16+ hours a day for pennies so your ass can sit here blowing smoke up everyone's ass. Sound like a typical politician to me.

 

[onlyrp]

So you have more money than me... And you still choose to buy from a market source that exploits children. Good for you. Maybe if I did the same I would have more money to spend in this dead economy. hmmm. No thanks.

PS, I doubt very much that you have more than me anyway.

I'm not rich, I'm just cheap.

 

[SL89]

I'm not rich, I'm just cheap.

So am I. I can feed my family of 6 on less than 100 bucks a week. Check out my "food storage porn" thread if you are so inclined. I have been un-employed with no government handouts since June. I still won't buy anything made from the sweat of a kid that has less than I.

 

[SL89]

It is still WRONG to knowingly, buy goods born out of a sweatshop. I don't think you can argue that point.

 

[SL89]

I have shut off my internet. I was gone from this great site for a few months because I had to shut it off out of principle. Lived off of my preps and still am doing ok. You cannot convince me that buying cheap Walmart merchandise is healthy for this economy. No way. In a true free market, this would be a non-issue.

 

[onlyrp]

So am I. I can feed my family of 6 on less than 100 bucks a week. Check out my "food storage porn" thread if you are so inclined. I have been un-employed with no government handouts since June. I still won't buy anything made from the sweat of a kid that has less than I.

I believe you and I admire that. I really do, it flies right in the face of people who claim
1. I make $100,000 and people who make $20,000 live better
2. I make $50,000, or "a good job" and I still "just have the basics"
3. Life in 1950 was better

 

[onlyrp]

I have shut off my internet. I was gone from this great site for a few months because I had to shut it off out of principle. Lived off of my preps and still am doing ok. You cannot convince me that buying cheap Walmart merchandise is healthy for this economy. No way. In a true free market, this would be a non-issue.

I don't understand that last part. What of our market is un-free, that makes this an "issue"?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I don't understand that last part. What of our market is un-free, that makes this an "issue"?

Central banking, all the regulatory agencies that are in Washington D.C., income taxes, corporate welfare, etc. You're either completely ignorant or a bad troll IMO

 

[onlyrp]

Central banking, all the regulatory agencies that are in Washington D.C., income taxes, corporate welfare, etc. You're either completely ignorant or a bad troll IMO

what exactly does that have to do with sweatshop labor? You have a person who feeds 6 people on $100 per week, saying he can choose to not buy sweatshop products, so what is the issue?

 

[SL89]

The issue is.... Your kind is a plague. As in ( I'll buy the cheapest goods no matter the cost) If their companies were held to a fraction of what is demanded of ours. This conversation would be a mute point.(again) I will be the first to say, that sometimes a foreign good is the best to buy. Just not on the backs of children. And I am quite sure that we could compete globally without the feds.
OK. I get your points. And you get mine. The free market has responsibilities tied to it. It is called humanity. You cannot in good conscience sit on a high horse and disregard where your goods are coming from. You are part of the problem when you feed this beast.

 

[onlyrp]

The issue is.... Your kind is a plague. As in ( I'll buy the cheapest goods no matter the cost) If their companies were held to a fraction of what is demanded of ours. This conversation would be a mute point.(again) I will be the first to say, that sometimes a foreign good is the best to buy. Just not on the backs of children. And I am quite sure that we could compete globally without the feds.
OK. I get your points. And you get mine. The free market has responsibilities tied to it. It is called humanity. You cannot in good conscience sit on a high horse and disregard where your goods are coming from. You are part of the problem when you feed this beast.

Again, what does the feds have to do with being unable to compete globally? We're perfectly able to do everything the Chinese do as far as labor, we're just unwilling to do it cheap like they do. There's nothing illegal about working for cheap, other than wage limits, which I am for abolishing. If we're complaining that cost of living is high because wages are set at a minimum, then logically, cost of living would decrease if there was no minimum wage. And therefore, there would be nothing stopping Americans from working for Chinese wages or illegal Mexican wages (there already isn't much). Either way, how is this an "issue"? You manage to choose not to buy their products, unless you want to take away other people's choices, there is no issue, nobody is forcing you to buy anything.

 

[SL89]

Sorrry, bud. When 7 year old kids are forced into labor to feed American appetites something is wrong. I am all for kicking the minimum wage per se. But, kids? c'mon now. I made 52k one year at 12 per hour. Add the hours. WAY over 3k. But, not kids, not forced labor. If this is what we have come to than we have failed as a society. And when you buy a product from forced labor, you are no better than the pigs that hold the whip.

 

[3kgt]

Just out of curiosity why are you burning through your preps now? Why not continue to enjoy a few of the luxury illusions while they're still around?

 

[SL89]

And the feds have a lot to do with this. They forced companies to move away. Some foreign companies are here for certain reasons. i.e. Toyota and BMW. While Ford went to Mexico. The feds need to get out of the business cycle. Period. But, that does not negate the citizen's responsibility. Don't tell me or any other person that you need to buy cheap because it is cheap. NOT on the backs of child labor. It was federal interference that caused our manufacturing base to leave. You are an absolute idiot to think we can survive as a consumer based market. The math will never add up.
China has been under totalitarian rule for as long as history has been written. Don't you think for a minute that our negligence is making anything better. Nothing good comes from it. If you buy from them, you make everything worse.