America 1950 vs. America 2012

[Anti Federalist]

It's not my concern what China does to their workers, you are free to pay them more if you like. I'm not complaining about cheaper goods.

I realize that, that there are some folks that would gladly pay 10 percent less for an i-whatever if it was made with pressed fetal grindings instead of plastic.

I still maintain that funding communist prison state that had our economy handed to them on a silver platter after killing roughly 60 million people, is a bad idea.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's beyond insulting to say we are living worse than blacks in 1950. Indeed, ignorant, probably intentionally. I don't care if you don't care about blacks (because I don't), but I wouldn't ever say they had it better than we do today.

Josh_LA

I see we meet again.

 

[No Free Beer]

I realize that, that there are some folks that would gladly pay 10 percent less for an i-whatever if it was made with pressed fetal grindings instead of plastic.

I still maintain that funding communist prison state that had our economy handed to them on a silver platter after killing roughly 60 million people, is a bad idea.

This is a similar debate that you, Bing, and I were having on another thread. There are people on the forums who have read some things on Rothbard and think they can only afford to look at economics through consumerism. When it fact, that is not realistic. A lot of the cheap products comes into our country, destroys our companies because that country's government subsidizes its good TO flood our market. People are okay with that, but against sanctions on Iran. HYPOCRISY!

Anyway, I would rather live in America during the 50s than this shit.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is a similar debate that you, Bing, and I were having on another thread. There are people on the forums who have read some things on Rothbard and think they can only afford to look at economics through consumerism. When it fact, that is not realistic. A lot of the cheap products comes into our country, destroys our companies because that country's government subsidizes its good TO flood our market. People are okay with that, but against sanctions on Iran. HYPOCRISY!

Anyway, I would rather live in America during the 50s than this shit.

Yes, I have been down that road a number of times.

I know some staunch free trade/open border folks here that I consider to be some of the best and brightest advocates of liberty and freedom out there, but we just totally disagree on this issue.

 

[No Free Beer]

Yes, I have been down that road a number of times.

I know some staunch free trade/open border folks here that I consider to be some of the best and brightest advocates of liberty and freedom out there, but we just totally disagree on this issue.

I agree.

 

[Zippyjuan]

1950's was a scary time. Fear of nuclear anilation. Look up Duck and Cover. The Cold War in full swing. Scarier to more people than the terrorise threat.

Inflation was more of a problem- passing nine percent in 1951 which would be the highest rate of inflation until 1974- and we were not actually the fastest growing economy at the time- Japan for one was doing better.

Manufacturing ceased to be the largest employer in the country by 1956. Huge corporate conglomerates emerged. Source for some of this: http://economics.about.com/od/useconomichistory/a/post_war.htm

 

[donnay]

It's not my concern what China does to their workers, you are free to pay them more if you like. I'm not complaining about cheaper goods.

You better concern yourself with the way China does to their workers--cause we're next! Inhumane conditions will circle the globe if we do not stand up now!!

The parents of these youngsters work in the factory while their children are tied to a workshop window to keep them safe

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ers-work-afford-child-care.html#ixzz1neMqOwfT

 

[donnay]

1950's was a scary time. Fear of nuclear anilation. Look up Duck and Cover. The Cold War in full swing. Scarier to more people than the terrorise threat.

As if duck and cover was going to do anything to help you should a nuclear war ensue.

The propaganda has just gotten much more sophisticated in 60 years. FEAR does work to keep people in line.

 

[AuH20]

America 1950 in a runaway. We're on the cusp of a literal breakdown of our decaying civilization in 2012.

 

[Tim Calhoun]

1950's was a scary time. Fear of nuclear anilation. Look up Duck and Cover. The Cold War in full swing. Scarier to more people than the terrorise threat.

If you really can't see that the cold war was nothing more than fearmongering and propaganda you're obviously lacking in critical thinking skills. The same people who imposed communism on the Russians are the ones who control US foreign policy.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I get your point but its pretty ignorant to try to equate what we are going through today to what blacks went through in the Jim Crow years. Our current situation has extreme consequences and potential but we live far safer and better lives than blacks did 60 years ago. Ask any black man if he would rather be living in 1950. Just saying.

What we're going through right now is worse. Having no rights at all living under total tyranny is worse than forced segregation, the 'bread and circus' just puts a happy face on it.

It's beyond insulting to say we are living worse than blacks in 1950. Indeed, ignorant, probably intentionally. I don't care if you don't care about blacks (because I don't), but I wouldn't ever say they had it better than we do today.

Since rights are no more and the economy is in the shitter, right now is worse than 1950 when part of the population had rights and the economy was better. I never said it was an ideal time for blacks to live in, but neither is right now.

 

[onlyrp]

What we're going through right now is worse. Having no rights at all living under total tyranny is worse than forced segregation, the 'bread and circus' just puts a happy face on it.

Since rights are no more and the economy is in the shitter, right now is worse than 1950 when part of the population had rights and the economy was better. I never said it was an ideal time for blacks to live in, but neither is right now.

Really? What kind of tyranny and lack of rights are you talking about? What could minorities do in 1950 we can't do today?

 

[onlyrp]

Josh_LA

I see we meet again.

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[onlyrp]

You better concern yourself with the way China does to their workers--cause we're next! Inhumane conditions will circle the globe if we do not stand up now!!

The parents of these youngsters work in the factory while their children are tied to a workshop window to keep them safe

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ers-work-afford-child-care.html#ixzz1neMqOwfT

what exactly do you propose we as American consumers do about it?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Really? What kind of tyranny and lack of rights are you talking about? What could minorities do in 1950 we can't do today?

Do you have your head buried in the sand? Are you not familiar with the NDAA?

 

[onlyrp]

Do you have your head buried in the sand? Are you not familiar with the NDAA?

How about before the NDAA? So in 2011, you'd say we're better than 1950?

I want specifics. Not "this law says this" before something actually happened.

 

[donnay]

what exactly do you propose we as American consumers do about it?

Stop consuming Chinese made products! I am outraged by the inhumane conditions that these people have to work in to supply our country with the bobble-head trinkets they do not need.

 

[onlyrp]

Stop consuming Chinese made products! I am outraged by the inhumane conditions that these people have to work in to supply our country with the bobble-head trinkets they do not need.

If we stopped consuming their products they'd have better working conditions?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

How about before the NDAA? So in 2011, you'd say we're better than 1950?

I want specifics. Not "this law says this" before something actually happened.

I'm not saying either time is necessarily ideal to live in. But living in a lockdown police state practically under martial law with a busted economy makes present day worse than 1950 where the economy was strong and more people had rights. There were probably many communities where blacks were treated fairly back then. Now everyone is treated like a peon and a slave. That's why I'd take 1950. Blacks are still suffering harsh injustices against them nowadays via the war on drugs BTW

 

[onlyrp]

I'm not saying either time is necessarily ideal to live in.

I understand, but you specifically said now is worse than how minorities had it in 1950. So I'd like some details of why.

But living in a lockdown police state practically under martial law with a busted economy makes present day worse than 1950 where the economy was strong and more people had rights.

I'm not asking about the people who had rights in 1950, I'm asking about the people who didn't have rights in 1950. Or do you concede that?
Are we actually under lockdown police state ?

There were probably many communities where blacks were treated fairly back then. Now everyone is treated like a peon and a slave. That's why I'd take 1950. Blacks are still suffering harsh injustices against them nowadays via the war on drugs BTW

Seriously, I felt like I read 3 different messages.