America 1950 vs. America 2012

[NewRightLibertarian]

I understand, but you specifically said now is worse than how minorities had it in 1950. So I'd like some details of why.

That's not what I said, you are either putting words in my mouth or have reading comprehension problems.

I'm not asking about the people who had rights in 1950, I'm asking about the people who didn't have rights in 1950. Or do you concede that?
Are we actually under lockdown police state ?

I have repeatedly stated that blacks did not have rights back then. Can you read? And yes, I do believe we are living under a lockdown police state. They just put a happy face on it and give the peons bread and circus while they engage in tyranny.

 

[tttppp]

The comparison of today to 1950 is a very good point. We have vastly superior technology to 1950 but our standard of living has not really increased. If we were really a capitalist country, we would be able to save significantly more money per 40 hour work weeks than we did in 1950. Thats just common sense. Competition is suppose to decrease costs to a minimum and increase results to a maximum. Do to excessive regulation and government involvement, most industries actually have higher costs and poor service compared to 1950. So the profits an average person can save today is actually comparable to 1950. Both in 1950 and today, if you go to college and get a good job you still most likely are not going to have any savings after you get a home, car, food, and clothing. Both in 1950 and today, you pretty much just get the basics and very little else.

 

[onlyrp]

That's not what I said, you are either putting words in my mouth or have reading comprehension problems.

I have repeatedly stated that blacks did not have rights back then. Can you read? And yes, I do believe we are living under a lockdown police state. They just put a happy face on it and give the peons bread and circus while they engage in tyranny.

This is what you actually said.

What we're going through right now is worse. Having no rights at all living under total tyranny is worse than forced segregation, the 'bread and circus' just puts a happy face on it.

I'll ask you again, are blacks today better off than in 1950?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

This is what you actually said.

What we're going through right now is worse. Having no rights at all living under total tyranny is worse than forced segregation, the 'bread and circus' just puts a happy face on it.

I'll ask you again, are blacks today better off than in 1950?

Nope, they still don't have any rights and are being victimized by the system.

 

[onlyrp]

The comparison of today to 1950 is a very good point. We have vastly superior technology to 1950 but our standard of living has not really increased.

Wrong, it has. You don't need to work blue collar jobs to make ends meet, but you can.

If we were really a capitalist country, we would be able to save significantly more money per 40 hour work weeks than we did in 1950.

We are. Not if you choose to keep up with the Joneses though.

Thats just common sense. Competition is suppose to decrease costs to a minimum and increase results to a maximum.

Yep, but some choose to spend it away.

Do to excessive regulation and government involvement, most industries actually have higher costs and poor service compared to 1950.

Or some would say, that means higher wages and higher standard of living for workers.

So the profits an average person can save today is actually comparable to 1950.

Details please.

Both in 1950 and today, if you go to college and get a good job you still most likely are not going to have any savings after you get a home, car, food, and clothing. Both in 1950 and today, you pretty much just get the basics and very little else.

Except today you can have a higher standard of living WITHOUT going to college, compared to 1950.
If by "good job" you mean one that pays a million dollars a year, and "a home" you mean a house that costs a million dollars, then yeah. I've gotten you to admit its YOU who chooses not to work because you're not motivated after being able to only save $10,000, this is not the same as "not having any savings". Also, today you get 1950 basics, and lot more for a lot less.

 

[onlyrp]

Nope, they still don't have any rights and are being victimized by the system.

I was right, I don't know what rights you're talking about.

 

[tttppp]

This is what you actually said.

What we're going through right now is worse. Having no rights at all living under total tyranny is worse than forced segregation, the 'bread and circus' just puts a happy face on it.

I'll ask you again, are blacks today better off than in 1950?

I actually think minorities and women have it much better today at the expense of men and white people. Many companies today hire women and minorities simply to be politically correct. When it comes time to discipline a woman or minority, they are too scared to do it. Instead they demand the white men to pick up the slack for them. I'm not being racist or sexist, this is actually how it works in the workplace today. At least thats my experience.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I was right, I don't know what rights you're talking about.

Yeah, because you have your head in the sand as to the condition of the country you're living in right now. You have the right to eat fast food, accumulate debt and watch the idiot box, but you're not afforded a trial should the government deem it necessary. Not to mention the endless list of government abuses that are inflicted upon the American people, much moreso than in 1950. Perhaps you should become more informed before commenting in the future.

 

[onlyrp]

I actually think minorities and women have it much better today at the expense of men and white people. Many companies today hire women and minorities simply to be politically correct. When it comes time to discipline a woman or minority, they are too scared to do it. Instead they demand the white men to pick up the slack for them. I'm not being racist or sexist, this is actually how it works in the workplace today. At least thats my experience.

that may be true. In which case, it'd still be accurate to say life isn't uniformly worse for everybody. I can see that people who are racist or sexist or otherwise anti-equality say that today life is worse for them, but unless that's your view, you'd have to acknowledge life is better for minorities today.

 

[onlyrp]

Yeah, because you have your head in the sand as to the condition of the country you're living in right now. You have the right to eat fast food, accumulate debt and watch the idiot box, but you're not afforded a trial should the government deem it necessary. Not to mention the endless list of government abuses that are inflicted upon the American people, much moreso than in 1950. Perhaps you should become more informed before commenting in the future.

Hasn't affected me. So you keep telling me I got my head in the sand and don't tell me what specifically you're talking about, I won't be missing 1950 anytime soon.

 

[tttppp]

Wrong, it has. You don't need to work blue collar jobs to make ends meet, but you can.



We are. Not if you choose to keep up with the Joneses though.



Yep, but some choose to spend it away.



Or some would say, that means higher wages and higher standard of living for workers.



Details please.



Except today you can have a higher standard of living WITHOUT going to college, compared to 1950.
If by "good job" you mean one that pays a million dollars a year, and "a home" you mean a house that costs a million dollars, then yeah. I've gotten you to admit its YOU who chooses not to work because you're not motivated after being able to only save $10,000, this is not the same as "not having any savings". Also, today you get 1950 basics, and lot more for a lot less.

I think you're the only one on RPF who believes the U.S. is a capitalist country. Put up a poll. I'll bet the majority believes this country is a communist or fascist system.

Saving $10,000 a year for a good job, is not a lot of money in today's standards.

 

[tttppp]

that may be true. In which case, it'd still be accurate to say life isn't uniformly worse.

I never even said it was worse at all. I just said its not better. In a capitalist country we would have been better off today than 1950 significantly. There wouldn't even be a comparison.

 

[onlyrp]

I think you're the only one on RPF who believes the U.S. is a capitalist country. Put up a poll. I'll bet the majority believes this country is a communist or fascist system.

Saving $10,000 a year for a good job, is not a lot of money in today's standards.

Aha, you went from saying "no savings" to "saving $10,000 isn't enough". How many times do I have to catch you contradicting facts and then changing the subject?

 

[onlyrp]

I never even said it was worse at all. I just said its not better. In a capitalist country we would have been better off today than 1950 significantly. There wouldn't even be a comparison.

Not better or not significantly better? I just wanna make sure I don't put words in your mouth.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Hasn't affected me. So you keep telling me I got my head in the sand and don't tell me what specifically you're talking about, I won't be missing 1950 anytime soon.

FYI, You are the moral equivalent of the people in Germany who didn't mind the persecutions that were occurring during Hitler's reign of terror because they weren't being targeted - a real coward.

 

[onlyrp]

FYI, You are the moral equivalent of the people in Germany who didn't mind the persecutions that were occurring during Hitler's reign of terror because they weren't being targeted.

try again if you were looking to guilt me into sharing your conspiracy theories and flash mob anger. you seem to know everything that's wrong with this country, but I bet you can't tell me what country is better to live in (and if you can, I bet you can't tell me why you didn't move there)

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

try again if you were looking to guilt me into sharing your conspiracy theories and flash mob anger. you seem to know everything that's wrong with this country, but I bet you can't tell me what country is better to live in (and if you can, I bet you can't tell me why you didn't move there)

The police state is global, they are hellbent on making the whole world a prison. Cowards like you are effective in enabling the tyranny to spread.

 

[onlyrp]

The police state is global, they are hellbent on making the whole world a prison. Cowards like you are effective in enabling the tyranny to spread.

LOL. enjoy. I can see why people don't take some Ron Paul fans seriously, they start by complaining what's wrong with this country, when you ask them what country is better, they don't have an answer. Some go one step and say "this is global", so unless the whole world is under THEIR control, rest assured they'll always find something to complain about.

 

[tttppp]

Aha, you went from saying "no savings" to "saving $10,000 isn't enough". How many times do I have to catch you contradicting facts and then changing the subject?

I never said you get NOTHING besides the basics. If I did I misspoke. I said you get NOT MUCH MORE THAN the basics. In the case of saving $10,000 it might as well be saving nothing.

 

[onlyrp]

I never said you get NOTHING besides the basics....... saving $10,000 it might as well be saving nothing.

you wanna learn to be specific the first time so you don't have to keep correcting me, changing what you say and defending yourself?

This is what you actually said.
Both in 1950 and today, if you go to college and get a good job you still most likely are not going to have any savings after you get a home, car, food, and clothing.

If you think $10,000 might as well be nothing, GIVE IT TO ME, GIVE IT TO EVERY PERSON ON THIS BOARD. Earn that in a day for me.

Sorry, but there's a big difference between $1, $10, $100, and $10,000.
I can say I'll give everybody in this thread $100. I can say I'll give everybody who posted in the last hour on this forum $10. I can probably say I can give everybody who is active on this forum this month $1. But I dare you say you can give ONE PERSON $10,000, try saying that before saying "it might as well be nothing".

$10,000 is what it cost for me to own 2 cars over the course of 10 years = "Might as well be nothing".
Ask any homeless person if he'd buy a shelter for $10,000. Or how many days he'd be able to eat on that "might as well be nothing".