Try using a search engine. True, you might have to expend a little effort, but the process will be good for you.
Alex Jones on air right now, entire show is about Glenn Beck.
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Try using a search engine. True, you might have to expend a little effort, but the process will be good for you.
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How is it a source? If I make a website that says rpfan2008 likes to eat baby kittens is that a source too?
Great website though... keep posting it...
http://iamthewitness.com/
I especially like that big bold quote at the beginning of the page:
The Brainwashing That Zionist Jews Go Through May Be Irreversible. So What Then Do We Do With These People?
Care to answer that question?
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Try using a search engine. True, you might have to expend a little effort, but the process will be good for you.
There's nothing there... just copy/pasted on a bunch of websites... where was the original source?
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He talks about this all the time. But you need to listen to his radio programs to know that. He is talking about getting ready for a SHTF situation where one group of citizens will be incited to kill another (Rwanda, Sudan, Communist Russia, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, China/Sinkiang etc etc) and how that situation must be avoided by rebuilding family-to-family , neighborhood-to-neighborhood , city-to-city ties, independent of a middleman (media etc).
This thing is above the "why Iranians always kill Christians" posts that you usually throw around. Don't bother it's not for you, yet.
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He's probably referring to some kind of original source. For instance, we know that various quotes from David Rockefeller are legit, because he openly had them published in his own memoirs (etc.). Many sinister Rockefeller quotes are part of a pretty much indisputable historical record. However, if we had only his quotes without being able to trace them back to a source, we'd have no way of knowing whether they're legit or if some Internet troll made them up, only to have them repeated thousands of times on other sites as if true.
Looking around on the net, it looks like people are saying Jimmy Carter alleged in his memoirs that Menachem Begin said this. Even Carter's memoirs would be a secondary source from a certain point of view, and I haven't seen anyone claim to confirm it directly from them, let alone produce a page scan or something, and several have denied it's in there. Considering the quote is just so utterly ridiculous and over-the-top, I have a feeling this is some rumor a troll made up for lulz and possibly to accomplish some agenda (which may very well be making people look like fools for believing it...).
As I grow older and realize just how much of history is disputed, I'm finally gaining an appreciation for why my history teachers always stressed the distinction between primary and secondary sources (and especially the distinction between primary sources and secondary sources built on secondary sources built on...etc.
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As for Dieseler's post below:
Good call, man. I think I'll have to leave my post count like this for the rest of the night!
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Do as you wish.
IGNORED
Talk to the hand.
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Do you know Iraq was invaded based on "intel" provided by some anonymous taxi driver?
No one knows who was he, even to this day.
First arrests made after 9/11 were of Israelis, with explosives, not Arabs.
They have been freed but 4million Iraqis and millions of Afghans are missing from their countries.
US was supplying weapons technology to the communists right in middle of the Vietnam war.
This is a common knowledge, even Ron Paul wrote that in one of his books.
I hope you know all of these, what are you going to do about it?
If war can be declared for "babies thrown out of incubators.." bull, why not wait for few hours of googling before rushing to debunk this quote?
Really? Ridiculous as the '9/11 was an inside job' claim or more than that?
Do you know what kind of feeling I have for you on this part?
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I hope this will do..Mini-Mi
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." -
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk.
Quoted from an article written by one of Kapeliouk's acquaintances and fellow journo, Jew.
Now tell me what are you going to do about it?
"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." -
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk.
Quoted from an article written by one of Kapeliouk's acquaintances and fellow journo, Jew.
Now tell me what are you going to do about it?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00025.htm
An article from Franklin P. Lamb who allegedly was a friend of the source of the quotation. You might try e-mailing Franklin to see whether he can corroborate the author's account at
[email protected]
Otherwise, you'll have to find a copy of the June 25, 1982 edition of the New Statesman:
"It was Amnon Kapeliouk who courageously published in the New Statesmen of June 25 1982 the racist Zionist rant of Prime Minister Begin before the Knesset forty eight hours earlier. His report was to activate the Boston based McCarthyite Zionist hate group, CAMERA to hound him until his death.
So spoke Begin to his colleagues:
""Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."."
(Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982))"
An article from Franklin P. Lamb who allegedly was a friend of the source of the quotation. You might try e-mailing Franklin to see whether he can corroborate the author's account at
[email protected]
Otherwise, you'll have to find a copy of the June 25, 1982 edition of the New Statesman:
"It was Amnon Kapeliouk who courageously published in the New Statesmen of June 25 1982 the racist Zionist rant of Prime Minister Begin before the Knesset forty eight hours earlier. His report was to activate the Boston based McCarthyite Zionist hate group, CAMERA to hound him until his death.
So spoke Begin to his colleagues:
""Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."."
(Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982))"
I only wish we could get OTHERS to do a little leg work.
I question the totality of the alleged quotation, however. Begin has been quoted as saying the Palestinians were beasts on two legs, but someone may have embellished his remarks. I, too, would like to see the original source material in the New Statesman.Official repudiation of Begin's alleged comment:
http://begincenterdiary.blogspot.com/2009/05/correcting-misquotation-reputedly-by.html
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It's not so much that I "know" all these, because facts and figures slip out of my mind like I'm an Alzheimer's patient (I worry sometimes)...but they sound familiar to me, and I'm liable to accept all of the above at face value unless someone else can demonstrate they're unfounded. I do recall that even Fox News had something about Israelis after 9/11, but I can't remember if the Fox report mentioned the arrests. I'm particularly inclined to believe statements of fact that Ron Paul makes, since he's not known to make factual errors often. (...and if he were, we'd know, considering how many enemies he has who would love to destroy his credibility.)
However, even "common knowledge" can sometimes be nothing more than bullshit that's been repeated over and over again so many times that everyone just assumes it's true. After all, at one point it was "common knowledge" among neocons that Iraq had huge stockpiles of VX nerve gas and Saddam had something to do with 9/11.
The point is, history is a sticky-ass subject. You can't demand absolutely rigorous justification for everything, otherwise you'd know pretty much nothing. At the same time, believing every rumor you see on the Internet isn't wise either...even if it confirms your biases...perhaps especially if it confirms your biases.
You're getting awfully defensive here. I wasn't "rushing to debunk" the quote. I actually started out pretty uncritically, looking for a source for BlackTerrel. I Googled and found nothing but a bunch of unsourced copy pastes. Most sites didn't mention any context for the quote whatsoever. A few mentioned that he said it to Jimmy Carter, and we know because it's in Carter's memoirs...but I haven't found anyone who even claimed to verify it from Carter's memoirs themselves, and I certainly haven't seen any page scans. Moreover, I HAVE found anonymous Internet posters who say they have his memoirs, and it isn't in there, etc. Here's a thread on the topic: http://debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?45193-Can-anyone-SOURCE-this-quote
Given my findings above, I decided to cut my losses, since I wasn't likely to find confirmation...and if it's not legit, I'm obviously never going to find confirmation, so continuing to look would be a wild goose chase. I took another look at the quote itself, and I decided it was so over-the-top that it was unlikely a powerful person would dare say it out loud in seriousness. It's such an especially outrageous quote that it would be idiotic to assume it's true with no evidence.
Now, you'd apparently have me do "a few hours of googling," but I've already done enough to get a pretty clear picture of where that quote came from, and it probably wasn't any of Jimmy Carter's books.
If you disagree, it's up to you to do all the Googling and demonstrate why I'm wrong.
It sounds far more ridiculous than a "9/11 was an inside job" claim, because it sounds like something a cartoon villain would say. Considering you brought up the quote, the burden of proof is on you to substantiate it, rather than demand other people Google for hours on end. If you have any evidence it's true, I'm all ears...but don't ask me to waste any more of my sleepy time substantiating your quote.
Nerd rage with angry hand-waving?Do you know what kind of feeling I have for you on this part?
...argh. No longer 33 over 3333 posts...
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OK whatever.
What about the source I sent later?
Are you willing to Google further?
I never could have known about your Alz condition, I am sorry....but I guessed soy was interfering with ur testosterone or something.
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Nonono, I don't HAVE Alzheimer's. I just joked that I worry sometimes, because I'm so bad with remembering facts and figures.
I think it's just because I put a lot less emphasis on them, and more emphasis on the big picture.Anyway: What source did you send later? I saw tpreitzel's link. Keep in mind that I DO know that Begin called Arab terrorists "beasts on two legs," and that quote isn't in dispute. It's the longer, cartoon villain-ish quote that's in dispute.
EDIT: nm, there have been a bunch more posts. I'll check your link.
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Nonono, I don't HAVE Alzheimer's. I just worry sometimes, because I'm so bad with facts and figures.
Oo Sounds great, I hope you don't take too much soy too.
