ACLU files suit against Catholics for no-abortion hospital policy

[Origanalist]

So, the baby dies and they sue because she didn't kill it instead.



Lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union filed a suit in federal court against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, arguing that the group’s aversion to abortion caused medical staff at one Roman Catholic hospital to provide a pregnant woman who went into early labor subpar care.
The woman’s baby died due to complications.

Basically, the ACLU said the group’s anti-abortion guidelines were to blame for the woman’s negligent care, and that the woman never should have been put in the position of seeing her child die during early labor, Newsmax reported. The woman was treated at the Catholic-affiliated Mercy Health Muskegon in Michigan.

“It’s not just about one woman,” said Kary Moss, an executive director of the Michigan ACLU, in the Newsmax report. “It’s about a nationwide policy created by nonmedical professionals putting patients in harm’s way.”
The ACLU faulted the bishops for not telling the woman, Tamesha Means, early in her pregnancy that her decision to continue to full term posed health risks for her and for her child.

The lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Michigan said Ms. Means was 18 weeks pregnant in 2010. Her water broke and she went to Muskegon, the closest hospital, for treatment. Over the course of several emergency room visits, no medical profession ever advised her “the safest treatment option was to induce labor and terminate the pregnancy,” based on her condition. Why? The ACLU alleges the hospital purposely avoided this advice, because of ethical directives from the bishops group.
A spokeswoman for the bishops’ conference in Washington declined to comment on the court filing, Newsmax said.


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[mosquitobite]

Needed more information: http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2013/12/abortion_lawsuit_with_aclu_bac.html

Although they claim it was the only hospital in her county, I could say the same about mine. But I have access to at least a dozen in my general area. Muskegon isn't far from Grand Rapids.

 

[Slutter McGee]

As a semi pro-choice/really don't give a shit person, I really wish the ACLU would shut the hell up about this issue. They are so good on so many things. But this turns off conservatives from their cause like no other. I used to hear the word "ACLU and immediately think liberal as fuck" Drop this ACLU.

Just my opinion. Don't want to start an abortion debate.

Slutter McGee

 

[DamianTV]

Free Market is the solution to this. Aw, your burger joint doesnt offer fries? I'll shop somewhere else.

 

[angelatc]

As a semi pro-choice/really don't give a shit person, I really wish the ACLU would shut the hell up about this issue. They are so good on so many things. But this turns off conservatives from their cause like no other. I used to hear the word "ACLU and immediately think liberal as fuck" Drop this ACLU.

Just my opinion. Don't want to start an abortion debate.

Slutter McGee

That and gun rights. They won't stand up for the Second Amendment, either. According to them, we have a right to an abortion but not to carry firearms.

 

[angelatc]

$10 bucks says she didn't pay a dime for the care she received, either.

 

[Slutter McGee]

That and gun rights. They won't stand up for the Second Amendment, either. According to them, we have a right to an abortion but not to carry firearms.

Yeah, that pisses me off also. At least they are good about defending the right to free speech of gun owners.

Slutter McGee

(Oh yeah assholes, I physically type my name after every post. I may be a narcissistic ass, but I don't take short cuts.)

 

[Christian Liberty]

As a semi pro-choice/really don't give a shit person, I really wish the ACLU would shut the hell up about this issue. They are so good on so many things. But this turns off conservatives from their cause like no other. I used to hear the word "ACLU and immediately think liberal as fuck" Drop this ACLU.

Just my opinion. Don't want to start an abortion debate.

Slutter McGee

I think everyone here can agree that no hospital should be FORCED to provide abortion, even the pro-choicers here.

And yeah, I just lost all respect for the ACLU. They do some good things, but I can't tolerate them trying to force a hospital to commit murder.

That and gun rights. They won't stand up for the Second Amendment, either. According to them, we have a right to an abortion but not to carry firearms.

Apparently, you have a right to kill, but not to hold a tool that might be used to kill

 

[DamianTV]

Yeah, that pisses me off also. At least they are good about defending the right to free speech of gun owners.

...

Too many people are in the practice of only standing up for their own Rights while doing nothing about defending that same Right when someone else with a different opinion expresses it.

...

Slutter McGee

(Oh yeah assholes, I physically type my name after every post. I may be a narcissistic ass, but I don't take short cuts.)

meh...

 

[Slutter McGee]

I think everyone here can agree that no hospital should be FORCED to provide abortion, even the pro-choicers here.

And yeah, I just lost all respect for the ACLU. They do some good things, but I can't tolerate them trying to force a hospital to commit murder.


Apparently, you have a right to kill, but not to hold a tool that might be used to kill

Yeah, because abortion is that simple of an issue. It is far more complicated. You know it is. And incredibly intelligent people are on both sides.

Stop pretending that this is some easy to decide bullshit.

Slutter McGee

 

[DamianTV]

I think everyone here can agree that no hospital should be FORCED to provide abortion, even the pro-choicers here.

And yeah, I just lost all respect for the ACLU. They do some good things, but I can't tolerate them trying to force a hospital to commit murder.


Apparently, you have a right to kill, but not to hold a tool that might be used to kill

Solution: Dont get a job where murder is a part of the business. Thus, dont join the Military, become a Cop, a Vet, or a Doctor, especially an Abortion Doctor. There is no law requiring one to do so (except military), yet. It also doesnt mean that the Hospital couldnt hire someone that is willing to perform the procedure except by its own rules. Not everyone who works for a Catholic Hospital should be required to be Catholic either.

Just my two cents.

 

[Slutter McGee]

Solution: Dont get a job where murder is a part of the business. Thus, dont join the Military, become a Cop, a Vet, or a Doctor, especially an Abortion Doctor. There is no law requiring one to do so (except military), yet. It also doesnt mean that the Hospital couldnt hire someone that is willing to perform the procedure except by its own rules. Not everyone who works for a Catholic Hospital should be required to be Catholic either.

Just my two cents.

Go for it. Winning elections while claiming the military is evil is going to be a very easy strategy.

Slutter McGee

 

[DamianTV]

Go for it. Winning elections while claiming the military is evil is going to be a very easy strategy.

Slutter McGee

I think that is the very False Sense of Morality that most politicians hide behind. They give an order to someone to go kill someone else and they genuinely believe that their hands are clean. Yeah, that could also be flipped on both sides where murder of an enemy combatant and abortion are one in the same.

 

[Brett85]

That and gun rights. They won't stand up for the Second Amendment, either. According to them, we have a right to an abortion but not to carry firearms.

And they're also strongly opposed to religious freedom. They're ready to sue a school every time someone sneezes and a kid says "God bless you."

 

[Brett85]

(Oh yeah assholes, I physically type my name after every post. I may be a narcissistic ass, but I don't take short cuts.)

You used to say "sincerely," so you do take short cuts.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yeah, because abortion is that simple of an issue. It is far more complicated. You know it is. And incredibly intelligent people are on both sides.

Stop pretending that this is some easy to decide bullshit.

Slutter McGee

When it comes to property rights, evictionism, and so forth, I admit it gets a little bit complicated. Although honestly, I don't really think its that complicated. But I can understand the disagreement here.

I don't understand how any NAP adhering libertarian could even consider the idea that fetuses, at any stage, are NOT human. I also don't understand how pro-choice liberals look themselves in the mirror and take themselves seriously. They talk about "bodily freedom" and say they support abortion for that reason, yet they don't support letting a woman use heroin. Total hypocrites... morons...

Also, forcing someone to do something is pretty obviously anti-liberty. So in this case, you have that as well. More hypocrisy...

Solution: Dont get a job where murder is a part of the business. Thus, dont join the Military, become a Cop, a Vet, or a Doctor, especially an Abortion Doctor. There is no law requiring one to do so (except military), yet. It also doesnt mean that the Hospital couldnt hire someone that is willing to perform the procedure except by its own rules. Not everyone who works for a Catholic Hospital should be required to be Catholic either.

Just my two cents.

I'm not sure why Vets or non-abortion doctors would ever have to commit murder as part of their career (I agree with you on soldiers and cops, although obviously its not guaranteed that they'll have to commit murder... and abortion doctors should be obvious.)

That said, I don't see the relevance of your post to what I was saying. If a Catholic hospital doesn't want to provide abortion as a procedure (Nevermind the discussion about abortion itself)... its their property... they shouldn't have to. This is basic libertarianism here.

As for Catholic hospitals and Catholicism, that too would be up to the hospital.

Go for it. Winning elections while claiming the military is evil is going to be a very easy strategy.

Slutter McGee

It may suck as a strategy, but its still true.

That said, I don't honestly want politicians to go that route. Its not really their job. Politicians, by the nature of their job (I mean, assuming they're solid, liberty-minded politicians, otherwise they wouldn't care in the slightest what they think) is to change the system from within the system. The politicians are the reason WHY the careers of soldier/cop/etc. are so bad. So for a politician to run for office and then blame the soldiers would seem rightfully hypocritical.

But as a civilian, I don't give a crap.

And they're also strongly opposed to religious freedom. They're ready to sue a school every time someone sneezes and a kid says "God bless you."

I don't know if they're quite that bad

 

[Christian Liberty]

You used to say "sincerely," so you do take short cuts.

Maybe he's just BSing now?

Then again, he did post that long note, maybe that was his penance when he confessed to his priest that he was taking shortcuts. Or just his own way of making it up

 

[Ender]

And they're also strongly opposed to religious freedom. They're ready to sue a school every time someone sneezes and a kid says "God bless you."

I don't agree with the ACLU on this incident but they have helped many churches with things like unfair zoning laws where some cities have zoned churches right out of the city limits.

 

[Brett85]

I don't agree with the ACLU on this incident but they have helped many churches with things like unfair zoning laws where some cities have zoned churches right out of the city limits.

They might be on the right side of those kind of things every now and then, but the vast majority of the time they're filing lawsuits to try to stop people from expressing their religious views in public.

 

[Ender]

They might be on the right side of those kind of things every now and then, but the vast majority of the time they're filing lawsuits to try to stop people from expressing their religious views in public.

Most of that has to do with America's mistaken perception of separation of church and state.