ACLU files suit against Catholics for no-abortion hospital policy

Solution: Dont get a job where murder is a part of the business. Thus, dont join the Military, become a Cop, a Vet, or a Doctor, especially an Abortion Doctor. There is no law requiring one to do so (except military), yet. It also doesnt mean that the Hospital couldnt hire someone that is willing to perform the procedure except by its own rules. Not everyone who works for a Catholic Hospital should be required to be Catholic either.

Just my two cents.

Ummmm....murder isn't part of the job of being a doctor. In fact doctors were once required to take an oath stating that they wouldn't use the healing arts to kill. That's why many doctors have a problem being involved with the death penalty. And there is no reason why a Catholic hospital should hire someone willing to do abortions. There's no reason why anyone should be required to do that. In some states medical marijuana is legal. That doesn't mean all doctors should be forced to prescribe it or that all pharmacists should be required to sell it.
 
Not everyone who works for a Catholic Hospital should be required to be Catholic either.

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Most of us think that private employers should be allowed to require their employees to be purple if that's what they decide to do. However, I feel the need to point out that Catholic Hospitals don't require employees to be Catholic. When we were in with DH's stroke, I remember looking around the table one morning and thinking that in some odd way, this was how the world was supposed to be. There were about 15 MDs in the room - Indian, Muslim, Black, White, Irish, German.

But what you seem to be saying is that the Catholic Hospitals should actually be run by the government, and only FUNDED by the Church. Is that about it?
 
I think he was saying that he agrees with us and disagrees with Americans who say that the separation of church and state prevents someone from speaking about their religious beliefs in public buildings.

It does if the person speaking is a government employee using his official position to promote a particular belief.
 
Most of us think that private employers should be allowed to require their employees to be purple if that's what they decide to do. However, I feel the need to point out that Catholic Hospitals don't require employees to be Catholic. When we were in with DH's stroke, I remember looking around the table one morning and thinking that in some odd way, this was how the world was supposed to be. There were about 15 MDs in the room - Indian, Muslim, Black, White, Irish, German.

But what you seem to be saying is that the Catholic Hospitals should actually be run by the government, and only FUNDED by the Church. Is that about it?

Were I live the Baptist hospital bought the only remaining Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital and then all of it got bought by the Catholic hospital. I don't think in either case people were given an ultimatum of "convert or be fired."
 
Also, I am guessing that this woman didn't actually suffer any medical harm. If she did, she'd be in there with a malpractice attorney.
 
Were I live the Baptist hospital bought the only remaining Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital and then all of it got bought by the Catholic hospital. I don't think in either case people were given an ultimatum of "convert or be fired."

Correct.

I was born in a Catholic Hospital- they have some of the very best hospital care in the US.
 
It does if the person speaking is a government employee using his official position to promote a particular belief.

Where do you see that in the Constitution? Someone doesn't lose their first amendment rights if they decide to work for the government.
 
I laugh in people's faces when they dare utter the words "we live in a free country". After ceasing my hysterical laughing, I ask them what it is that makes us so free.

Where do you see that in the Constitution? Someone doesn't lose their first amendment rights if they decide to work for the government.

There is no such requirement, just like there is no requirement that people receiving any of the $150+ billion in social programs for the sick, hungry, needy, homeless, etc that the Catholic Church spends every year in the US be Catholic.

That said, if you work for a Catholic hospital you play by their rules. Simple employment condition. Don't like it, work somewhere else.

Yep...
 
“It’s about a nationwide policy created by nonmedical professionals putting patients in harm’s way.”

How is that different from the fedgov's systematic destruction of the medical industry over the last 100 years?
 
The ACLU going after Catholicism?

No surprise, considering the ACLU is a Jewish organization that hates Christianity with an unbridled passion.
 
Catholicism =/= Christianity.
It's seems you have a perennial misunderstanding of the bible with a few issues. This was nicely answered by Eduardo in posts #6 and #20. There are a few pertinent questions that he asks for you that may clear up some of you misunderstandings. To be helpful since it seems you accidentally overlooked them, here are the links: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...eedomFanatic&p=5223865&viewfull=1#post5223865
and
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...eedomFanatic&p=5292035&viewfull=1#post5292035

Just incase the links don't work I'll bump the thread to the top of the religion forum so you can find it.

Hope this helps.
 
So, I was reading the article and I got this:

The ACLU are suing Catholics because they tried to save the baby, but failed so the baby died in front of the mother instead of deliberately killing it while in the womb so she wouldn't get to see it.


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So, I was reading the article and I got this:

The ACLU are suing Catholics because they tried to save the baby, but failed so the baby died in front of the mother instead of deliberately killing it while in the womb so she wouldn't get to see it.


:confused:

That about covers it.
 
The ACLU is suing the wrong people.


Stupid Laws Cause Dangerous Hospital Shortages
Despite popular misconception, this is not a pro-choice vs. pro-life situation.
http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/07/stupid-laws-cause-dangerous-hospital-sho

This week, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a federal lawsuit alleging mistreatment of a woman in the days leading up to her miscarriage at a Catholic hospital in Muskegon, Michigan. The ACLU accuses Mercy Health Partners of negligence for, among other things, failing to direct Tamesha Means to a hospital that could have safely terminated her nonviable pregnancy after her water broke at only 18 weeks gestation.

The details of the hospital staff’s conduct can be found in the complaint. According to the ACLU, Means miscarried as Mercy Health staff members were preparing to discharge her—for the third time in two days.

It might be tempting to view the lawsuit as another attempt by pro-choice activists to force pro-lifers to subsidize or participate in conduct inimical to their moral convictions. But the facts of the case may well point to negligence. I make no claim either way.

Instead, I wish to point out that Tamesha Means could not have easily gone to another hospital, perhaps one offering the full range of women’s health services, because there is no such hospital. Mercy Health is the only hospital in Muskegon County (population 170,000) and the only one within 30 minutes of Means’ home.

Michigan is one of 28 states that artificially caps the number of hospital beds available in a given region. To open or expand a hospital, health providers must first obtain a “certificate of need” (CON) by convincing state health planners that there is a need for more beds. (Another eight states have CON laws, but have rescinded their rules on hospital beds.)

CON proponents argue that providers will fill every bed they build room for, so restrictions on hospital bed inventories are necessary to hold down costs. Planners also want to ensure the number of beds is sufficient to meet a community’s needs. Michigan thus employs a complicated formula purported to arrive at the precise number of beds necessary to supply, but not oversupply, the market.

Using the formula, Michigan’s Department of Community Health has determined that the Muskegon region has too many beds—exactly 203 too many, in fact. Thus, any potential competitor wishing to enter the market would certainly be denied permission.
 
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