Abraham Lincoln: Tyrant

[Travlyr]

"U.S. Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, at Gen. U.S. Grant's urging, halted the customary exchange of prisoners. Grant stopped exchanges because they helped the South, which was short on manpower. "

"by the end of the war, approximately 30,000 Union prisoners had died in Confederate camps and 25,000 Confederates had died in Union prisons."

a) Tens of thousands died in prisons, on both sides
b) They were in prisons to begin with because the North didn't want to exchange prisoners

There you go... It was Lincoln's fault that Northern prisoners were starved to death. Yeah. You got a bridge to sell me?

 

[TheTexan]

There you go... It was Lincoln's fault that Northern prisoners were starved to death. Yeah. You got a bridge to sell me?

The North starved nearly as many Southern prisoners to death as well. What's your point? War is hell. Even non-prisoners were starving.

 

[TheTexan]

How can anyone in 2012 claim that the South fired upon Fort Sumter in self-defense?

If that's your position, then give me a legitimate response to these questions:

Secession is an act of peace. Normal people who don't have aggressive motives do not respond to an act of peace by cutting off communication and burning their own forts and building troop strength and reinforcements.

So... again.. why would you burn your own unused forts, if not in preparation for war?

And if they value their forts so little that they are willing to burn them, why didn't the troops at Fort Moultrie just go home?

 

[Travlyr]

If that's your position, then give me a legitimate response to these questions:

Why are you defending enslaving the African negro in the name of liberty?

 

[TheTexan]

Why are you defending enslaving the African negro in the name of liberty?

Why are you lying and using diversionary tricks instead of answering the question honestly?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Obsessions about North vs. South and slavery cloud the most revolutionary point about Lincoln: he was the first Marxist leader of a major nation.

 

[Travlyr]

Obsessions about North vs. South and slavery cloud the most revolutionary point about Lincoln: he was the first Marxist leader of a major nation.

No he wasn't. He was a strict constitutionalist. If he had not had to fight a war of Southern aggression, then he would have strictly obeyed the Constitution.

 

[Travlyr]

No he wasn't. He was a strict constitutionalist. If he had not had to fight a war of Southern aggression, then he would have strictly obeyed the Constitution.

People need to learn what "principles" mean. Nobody today has any but Lincoln did.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Obsessions about North vs. South and slavery cloud the most revolutionary point about Lincoln: he was the first Marxist leader of a major nation.

True that.

 

[green73]

No he wasn't. He was a man of peace. Show me one time, prior to the Southern Confederacy firing upon Fort Sumter (April 12, 1861), where Abraham Lincoln ever initiated violence upon any human being or animal.

haha

 

[TheTexan]

He was a strict constitutionalist. If he had not had to fight a war of Southern aggression, then he would have strictly obeyed the Constitution.

He violated the constitution by starting an undeclared war without congressional approval even before the war started. And the constitution doesn't apply just during peace times, but during war also. He threw that constitution to the curb faster than a used hooker

 

[Aldanga]

No he wasn't. He was a strict constitutionalist. If he had not had to fight a war of Southern aggression, then he would have strictly obeyed the Constitution.

He was a strict constitutionalist... except when it wasn't convenient. I wouldn't exactly call that strict.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

He violated the constitution by starting an undeclared war without congressional approval even before the war started. And the constitution doesn't apply just during peace times, but during war also. He threw that constitution to the curb faster than a used hooker

He was also no fan of "constitutional money". (inconvenient fact)

 

[TheTexan]

No he wasn't. He was a strict constitutionalist.

You're not quite up there with the best trolls like Herman Cain, but if you work hard, you can make it happen. I wish you luck towards that endeavor

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

No doubt Lincoln's rotting in hell now. Rotten bastard got what he deserved.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

No he wasn't. He was a man of peace. Show me one time, prior to the Southern Confederacy firing upon Fort Sumter (April 12, 1861), where Abraham Lincoln ever initiated violence upon any human being or animal.

No, you don't claim that much knowledge of the subject and then expect me to respond to such a ridiculous post.

 

[itshappening]

Trav, just admit that you hate Prof. Dilorenzo because he's exposed the Lincoln myth of 'father Abraham' and more people are questioning him than ever before. It drives the establishment crazy that their hero is exposed

 

[cbrons]

King Lincoln Archive

You forgot my most recent interview with Dr. DiLorenzo on this subject :/

 

[RickyJ]

Why are you defending enslaving the African negro in the name of liberty?

Not only the African "negro," but also the poor white farmers, which composed the vast majority of the South, were being denied liberty by there not being free commerce in the South. Slavery was a determent to liberty, not only to the slaves, but also to the unskilled white man that could not find a job because slaves were being used in the place of hired help.

 

[cbrons]

Lincoln was such a peaceful man with great respect for civil liberties and the rule of law, if he was alive today he would've won a Nobel Peace Prize like BHO. Here are some of his notable achievements:

- Shut down 300 opposition newspapers.
- Suspended habeas corpus (illegally)
- Imprisoned tens of thousands of political dissenters in hell-hole prisons like Fort McHenry and Fort Lafayette
- Deported outspoken Democratic congressman Clement Vallandigham of Ohio.
- Censored telegraphs.
- Intimidated judges.
- Lincoln issued an arrest warrant for Chief Justice Roger Taney who said his suspension of habeas corpus was unconstitutional.
- Lincoln placed sentries outside the home of a federal judge in Washington D.C. who issued a writ of habeas corpus to a man detained by the D.C. Provost Marshal so the judge couldn’t preside over his hearing.
- Conscripted soldiers
- Recruited foreign immigrants to fight in the war
- Abolished the independent treasury system, was the first one to nationalize the money supply.

No wonder neo-cons and leftists love Lincoln so much. He had just as much respect for the US Constitution and the founding principals of this country as they do.