Abraham Lincoln: Tyrant

[Travlyr]

The truth will set you free. This means if you are free today, it was because of a truth established within and not because someone fought for you, argued for you, lied for you, cried for you, and governed over you.
So, at long last realize how blacks were owned by other blacks long before their souls were sold by the dozen for what was commonly a single horse. If the people on the other end of the slave market were willing to buy you, that meant they valued your soul more. The people who have taught you to dishonor your ancestors by thinking of them as slaves certainly don't care any more about you than those who purchased and owned slaves back in the day. So, quit reducing reality to a false dichotomy of black and white. Long before blacks and whites even learned that the other existed, the disadvantaged majority had been trying forever to gain control over a tyranny made up of a minority of a few.
Therefore, for this time on consider yourself warned. The believing in and proliferating of these false dichotomies are in contempt of our American Civil Purpose.

Unfortunately, I am not free today. I am a hostage of the "Federal Reserve System" of counterfeit money and debasement of currency. I wish I was free. I wanted to live a free life. I want my children and grandchildren to live a free life. I want everyone, both black and white, to live a free life. It will not happen until people, once again, understand sound money principles. Unfortunately, there is a lot of resistance in 2012 from both the Oligarchy and the "Liberty Movement."

 

[green73]

Unfortunately, I am not free today. I am a hostage of the "Federal Reserve System" of counterfeit money and debasement of currency. I wish I was free. I wanted to live a free life. I want my children and grandchildren to live a free life. I want everyone, both black and white, to live a free life. It will not happen until people, once again, understand sound money principles. Unfortunately, there is a lot of resistance in 2012 from both the Oligarchy and the "Liberty Movement."

The Oligarchy loved Lincoln. That's why he's so propagandized.

 

[Travlyr]

The South viewed them as the aggressors

What idiots and jackasses they were.

 

[Confederate]

Go to fucking hell asshole. You are lower than life.

Weren't you banned recently for personal attacks?

 

[TheTexan]

What idiots and jackasses they were.

"What would you do Travlyr? If tensions rose with someone you had a disagreement with decided to build a military base next to your home, and was in the process of filling it with guns aimed in your direction, and refused to even talk to you? What would you do? Would you have waited until he had enough troops to take over your home?"

 

[Travlyr]

The Oligarchy loved Lincoln. That's why he's so propagandized.

Go find your girl slave tonight and come back after you get off.

 

[green73]

Let's not let Trav's foul mouth get this thread put into Hot Topics. That's another of his techniques. Take the high road, people.

 

[Travlyr]

"What would you do Travlyr? If tensions rose with someone you had a disagreement with decided to build a military base next to your home, and was in the process of filling it with guns aimed in your direction, and refused to even talk to you? What would you do? Would you have waited until he had enough troops to take over your home?"

What disingenuous bullshit. The Union did not "decide to build a military base next to your home." Liars are losers in the 21st century. We have the truth machine at our fingertips. Nice try. Liars are losers in the 21st century. GIVE US OUR SLAVES BACK!!!

 

[TheTexan]

What disingenuous bullshit. The Union did not "decide to build a military base next to your home." Liars are losers in the 21st century. We have the truth machine at our fingertips. Nice try. Liars are losers in the 21st century. GIVE US OUR SLAVES BACK!!!

"Lies!" "Didn't happen!" "I bet you like slavery don't ya!"

That's all you got Travlyr.

I know you don't like facts, but here's some for ya anyway:

In contrast to Moultrie, Fort Sumter dominated the entrance to Charleston Harbor and, though unfinished, was designed to be one of the strongest fortresses in the world. In the fall of 1860 work was nearly done, but the fortress was thus far garrisoned by a single soldier, who functioned as a lighthouse keeper, and a small party of civilian construction workers. Under the cover of darkness on December 26, six days after South Carolina declared its secession, Anderson abandoned the indefensible Fort Moultrie, ordering its guns spiked and its gun carriages burned, and surreptitiously relocated his command by small boats to Sumter.

Fort Sumter was practically empty until the secession. Then all of a sudden he decides to destroy his own fort, and move his men into the stronger fort.

Lincoln refused to talk to them to address their concerns about this. Would you consider Anderson's actions an act of peace, of an act of aggression?

If you consider it an act of peace, I ask you this: is secession an act of peace? (Obviously it is)

Why would a man burn down his own fort and build up troop strength in response to secession? Why Travlyr. Why?

Without any explanation from Lincoln because he wouldn't talk to them, what would you have thought Anderson's intentions were?

 

[twomp]

"What would you do Travlyr? If tensions rose with someone you had a disagreement with decided to build a military base next to your home, and was in the process of filling it with guns aimed in your direction, and refused to even talk to you? What would you do? Would you have waited until he had enough troops to take over your home?"

I'm sure Obama and George Bush would agree with you here. We gotta get them Muslims before they get us right? I mean do you want to wait for them to attack us first?

 

[Antischism]

The true patron saints of the black men were represented in that handful of fighters in Boston, Lloyd Garrison, Wendell Phillips, Thoreau, Margaret Fuller, and Theodore Parker, whose great courage and sturdiness culminated in that somber giant John Brown. Their untiring zeal, their eloquence and perseverance undermined the stronghold of the Southern lords. Lincoln and his minions followed only when abolition had become a practical issue, recognized as such by all. - Emma Goldman.

 

[TheTexan]

I'm sure Obama and George Bush would agree with you here. We gotta get them Muslims before they get us right? I mean do you want to wait for them to attack us first?

Well, that's kind of a disingenuous comparison because it's obvious on its face that Iraq/Afg never presented a threat to us. (Especially not a threat that war could solve)

The South on the other hand was faced with the very real possibility of being invaded (which they obviously were), and had legitimate concerns that the North might use the Fort towards that endeavor.

It's commonly said here that preemptive war is "never" acceptable, but I don't buy that argument. If your neighbor is pointing more and more guns at you even though you've done nothing wrong, and won't even talk to you... you're left with the unfavorable choice of either letting them build a significant advantage on you that will put your life in very real jeopardy, or unfortunately you have to act while you can. If Lincoln had been willing to talk, then I would see things much differently.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Unfortunately, I am not free today. I am a hostage of the "Federal Reserve System" of counterfeit money and debasement of currency. I wish I was free. I wanted to live a free life. I want my children and grandchildren to live a free life. I want everyone, both black and white, to live a free life. It will not happen until people, once again, understand sound money principles. Unfortunately, there is a lot of resistance in 2012 from both the Oligarchy and the "Liberty Movement."

If monopoly money was officially deemed, sanctioned, and blessed as legal tender, there would still be members of a new leisure class who would benefit as they wouldn't have to worry. The same would be true if all our utility bills were deemed, sanctioned and blessed as such to the extent we could endorse the back of them for deposit. The problem today resides in the creation of a new leisure class in this nation which owns the means of counterfeiting. We don't differentiate between productive work and the workings of inequity. In the confusion, we admire schemers regardless of whether their works are uphill.
In the process of making money real, one has to determine philosophically the differences between what is true uphill work and what is downhill workings of inequity. For example, a lobbyist will tend to function in society parasitically to the extent that he or she is trying to cause inequity.
This is why we solve our problems on the Local level while we will tend to sell our American souls on the federal. Officials on the state level will tend to support a federal agenda because it ends up being more lucrative for them to serve as lobbyists on the state level.

 

[georgiaboy]

[video-Q&A-/video]

Q&A Rocks! Great interview with DiLorenzo. Huge respect to the folks at C-SPAN for getting interviews like this out there.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The Oligarchy loved Lincoln. That's why he's so propagandized.

Truth.

 

[green73]

Trav, please explain this connection your family has to Lincoln. You've mentioned it a couple times to me. It might help us understand your bias.

 

[Travlyr]

"Lies!" "Didn't happen!" "I bet you like slavery don't ya!"

That's all you got Travlyr.

I know you don't like facts, but here's some for ya anyway:



Fort Sumter was practically empty until the secession. Then all of a sudden he decides to destroy his own fort, and move his men into the stronger fort.

Lincoln refused to talk to them to address their concerns about this. Would you consider Anderson's actions an act of peace, of an act of aggression?

If you consider it an act of peace, I ask you this: is secession an act of peace? (Obviously it is)

Why would a man burn down his own fort and build up troop strength in response to secession? Why Travlyr. Why?

Without any explanation from Lincoln because he wouldn't talk to them, what would you have thought Anderson's intentions were?

Maybe he was self interested in saving his life and the life of his troops. It made sense to occupy a strong fort rather than remain in Fort Moultrie where he and his troops would be sitting ducks against an irrational group of Confederate men who would fire upon unarmed men.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Trav, please explain this connection your family has to Lincoln. You've mentioned it a couple times to me. It might help us understand your bias.

~eagerly anticipates learning about the royal bloodline and connections to international bankers~

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe he was self interested in saving his life and the life of his troops. It made sense to occupy a strong fort rather than remain in Fort Moultrie where he and his troops would be sitting ducks against an irrational group of Confederate men who would fire upon unarmed men.

Secession is an act of peace. Normal people who don't have aggressive motives do not respond to an act of peace by cutting off communication and burning their own forts and building troop strength and reinforcements.

So... again.. why would you burn your own unused forts, if not in preparation for war?

And if they value their forts so little that they are willing to burn them, why didn't the troops at Fort Moultrie just go home?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Secession is an act of peace. Normal people who don't have aggressive motives do not respond to an act of peace by cutting off communication and burning their own forts and building troop strength and reinforcements.

So... again.. why would you burn your own unused forts, if not in preparation for war?

And if they value their forts so little that they are willing to burn them, why didn't the troops at Fort Moultrie just go home?

How dare you bring facts instead of baseless speculation into this!