Abraham Lincoln: Tyrant

[green73]

North invaded the South is a lie. It is the standard of historical ignorance. This is the 21st century. We have the truth machine at our fingertips. Liars are losers in the 21st century.

Oh, I didn't know the war was fought in the North. Let me guess, you're going to say the invasion was justified after Lincoln goaded the South Carolinians into firing "the first shot" at Ft. Sumter. This was their island and no one was hurt, but this justified a full-scale invasion? Haha, that's rich. Do liberty-minded people actually fall for this shit? Go to 17:55 of the Dilorenzo video above and listen for a couple minutes. He explains.

Did you know the federal government has always tried to goad the other side into firing the first shot in all its wars? It's a necessity to win popular support. Sometimes they resort to false flags.

 

[Travlyr]

I'll grant you that it was foolish for the South to fire on Fort Sumter. I'll even grant you that their claim to the ownership of that piece of property is questionable. (I would side with SC on that though)

But there is no question that Lincoln wanted the South to fire on Fort Sumter. There are letters from his top advisors that it would be a terrible idea to try to resupply the fort, and that it would simply start a war.

He could have abandoned the fort, and lost very little. It may have hurt what, his pride?

He had no intentions of abandoning the fort.

He had no intentions of selling the fort.

He had one intention and one intention only: war. And the South knew it.

Bullshit! On the highest order. If Lincoln would have abandoned his loyal troops, Major Anderson and his 85 loyal troops living in Fort Sumter, he would have been immediately impeached by the Republicans and you Southern slavery apologists would have another whipping boy to whip. Most likely it would have been a much weaker Hannibal Hamlin. Is that what your ancestors hoped? That a weaker president would take over so that you boys could enjoy your female slaves on your nightly walks for eternity as declared in your Confederate Constitution?

 

[Travlyr]

Oh, I didn't know the war was fought in the North. Let me guess, you're going to say the invasion was justified after Lincoln goaded the South Carolinians into firing "the first shot" at Ft. Sumter. This was their island and no one was hurt, but this justified a full-scale invasion? Haha, that's rich. Do liberty-minded people actual fall for this shit? Go to 17:55 of the Dilorenzo video above and listen for a couple minutes. He explains.

Did you know the federal government has always tried to goad the other side into firing the first shot in all its wars? It's a necessity to win popular support. Sometimes they resort to false flags.

And what? The Southern leaders were too stupid to understand their position or their plight? Perhaps that is true.

 

[TheTexan]

Bullshit! On the highest order. If Lincoln would have abandoned his loyal troops, Major Anderson and his 85 loyal troops living in Fort Sumter, he would have been immediately impeached by the Republicans

Where's your evidence of this?

Additionally, it would have been ok with me. Perhaps his replacement would have freed the slaves and then left. That would have been OK with me too.

 

[green73]

While I am not a black person my grandson is. For him, Lincoln was indeed a liberator. For the white man, which I am guessing you are, Lincoln screwed the white Slave Masters. They are still butt hurt after 150 years hiding behind the "skirt" of "Liberty!"

Does your supposed grandson know he's been had, that he's still a slave today--in large part thanks to "liberator" Abe?

 

[Travlyr]

Does your supposed grandson know he's been had, that he's still a slave today--in large part thanks to "liberator" Abe?

Unlike the claims of DiLorenzo ... Lincoln is not responsible for the crap that happened after he was dead. He just isn't. How disingenuous can man get?

 

[SpreadOfLiberty]

http://www.mikechurch.com/transcripts/mike-corrects-caller-the-south-did-not-seek-war-with-lincoln/

 

[green73]

trav is such a bad troll. If he was truly interested in getting at the truth he wouldn't conveniently ignore one fact after another in his responses. He just chooses one thing that he can obfuscate and leaves it. Go over his debates. See the pattern...

 

[AGRP]

Does your supposed grandson know he's been had, that he's still a slave today--in large part thanks to "liberator" Abe?

Youre not implying lincoln went to war to make us all slaves are you!!??? Reported!!!!!!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Youre not implying lincoln went to war to make us all slaves are you!!??? Reported!!!!!!

I guess I get to be reported too. /thought criminal

 

[Travlyr]

Where's your evidence of this?

Additionally, it would have been ok with me. Perhaps his replacement would have freed the slaves and then left. That would have been OK with me too.

If I was a Union man being held hostage in Fort Sumter in 1860, then I would be glad that you were not elected in 1860. You would have abandoned me. What a jackass you are. You would starve your loyal supporters for what? The greater good? I'm glad that Lincoln was a principled man. I'm glad that the Slave Masters lost the war. They were a despicable bunch.

 

[TheTexan]

If I was a Union man being held hostage in Fort Sumter in 1860, then I would be glad that you were not elected in 1860. You would have abandoned me. What a jackass you are. You would starve your loyal supporters for what? The greater good? I'm glad that Lincoln was a principled man. I'm glad that the Slave Masters lost the war. They were a despicable bunch.

Abandoned and starved my ass. The South was prepared to give them a free ride back home.

 

[green73]

What a dick weed. My supposed grandson. Screw you. I accept him as my own even though he is a product of adoption. Fuck you jackass.

No offense, I just see you as a disingenuous troll. You are, right? I like your style though, getting all high and mighty...

 

[Travlyr]

Abandoned and starved my ass. The South was prepared to give them a free ride back home.

Happy Happy Joy Joy. Of course you weren't one of the guys hiding for 34 hours hoping to not get killed by the Southern aggressors.

 

[green73]

Go to fucking hell asshole. You are lower than life.

That means a lot coming from you.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Yes. It was much better for the white man to own black slaves. That is what "Liberty" is all about!!!

The truth will set you free. This means if you are free today, it was because of a truth established within and not because someone fought for you, argued for you, lied for you, cried for you, and governed over you.
So, at long last realize how blacks were owned by other blacks long before their souls were sold by the dozen for what was commonly a single horse. If the people on the other end of the slave market were willing to buy you, that meant they valued your soul more. The people who have taught you to dishonor your ancestors by thinking of them as slaves certainly don't care any more about you than those who purchased and owned slaves back in the day. So, quit reducing reality to a false dichotomy of black and white. Long before blacks and whites even learned that the other existed, the disadvantaged majority had been trying forever to gain control over a tyranny made up of a minority of a few.
Therefore, for this time on consider yourself warned. The believing in and proliferating of these false dichotomies are in contempt of our American Civil Purpose.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

The truth will set you free. This means if you are free today, it was because of a truth established within and not because someone fought for you, argued for you, lied for you, cried for you, and governed over you.
So, at long last realize how blacks were owned by other blacks long before their souls were sold by the dozen for what was commonly a single horse. If the people on the other end of the slave market were willing to buy you, that meant they valued your soul more. The people who have taught you to dishonor your ancestors by thinking of them as slaves certainly don't care any more about you than those who purchased and owned slaves back in the day. So, quit reducing reality to a false dichotomy of black and white. Long before blacks and whites even learned that the other existed, the disadvantaged majority had been trying forever to gain control over a tyranny made up of a minority of a few.
Therefore, for this time on consider yourself warned. The believing in and proliferating of these false dichotomies are in contempt of our American Civil Purpose.

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[Origanalist]

+rep

And another.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Go to fucking hell asshole. You are lower than life.

It is a cool hip thing for youngsters to hate Abe Lincoln just as it is for young Indians to hate Gandhi. Don't antagonize them any further. Remember, before we can wear something as a fashion statement, it first has to piss everyone off. When people become indifferent, we tend to get in line.

Abe Lincoln played the part of a necessary tyrant. What is meant by this? Well, according to our Founders, this means the people shouldn't honor their leaders any more than any other tyrant. Think of president Obama being no better than Osama bin Laden or Saddam. What is supposed to make our leaders better is that they understand this. They are being controlled as a necessary tyranny for the betterment of our happiness.

 

[TheTexan]

Happy Happy Joy Joy. Of course you weren't one of the guys hiding for 34 hours hoping to not get killed by the Southern aggressors.

The South viewed them as the aggressors, by trespassing on what they considered their land. Was it their land? Maybe. Maybe not. Was that piece of land worth losing a million lives over? FUCK NO.

You for some reason refuse to even acknowledge that Lincoln refused to even talk to the South. The South was more than willing to pay for the land, just as a gesture of good will, even though they felt entitled to it.

I bet the South would have been willing to let Lincoln even keep the Fort, if he had told them respectfully that it belonged to the Union, and had no intentions of waging war against them.

What would you do Travlyr? If tensions rose with someone you had a disagreement with decided to build a military base next to your home, and was in the process of filling it with guns aimed in your direction, and refused to even talk to you? What would you do? Would you have waited until he had enough troops to take over your home?

The bottom line is it was never about the Fort, the people in the Fort, or about the slaves. It was about money and power, as it so often is.