A lawful and peaceful revolution.

[Ronin Truth]

First of all, you must gather a critical mass of folks that are actually pro-American. Not neo-cons or "libertarians" that support open borders and the death of the nation.
The founding fathers were clear on that point-of open borders and being ruled by merchants.

"Our forefathers would be firing by now."

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

3. If 9/11 was committed by terrorists on one level. By orchestrators on another. And by God on another...then do you think it's conceivable that your litmus test to alter or abolish was possibly engineered for another purpose than to alter or abolish.

Certainly terror was involved, but the label does not quite fit the perpetrators who used terrorists in a massive ruse.

Of course all life is subject to God, even the perpetrators. And God, is first and best known by our unconscious existence. Those that inspired the framers worked extensively with the unconscious mind for millennia before Europeans showed up on this continent. The Indigenous American people.

It was from them that the clarity came to use the words "alter or abolish", it was from them which came a beautiful philosophical doctrine that was not fully or properly expressed in the first amendment.

It was called the "Greater Meaning of Free Speech" and came from the practice of free speech tending to create unity. Free speech can create an understanding between people. From that understanding can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit if happiness.

The Druid in the framers genes saw the spiritual value and adopted it. This is why Franklin fearlessly went to the hellfire club and dealt with the intentionally challenging darkness there. There is no doubt in my mind he resisted all temptation and compulsion and executed shrewd moves to protect this nations peoples.

The agreements upon alter or abolish and the purpose of free speech are solidly at the root of human survival and evolution. Completely in support of freedom, which is really the only place love can grow.

Great post!

If the graphics are difficult and your memory is inconsistent after a nights immersion into the unconscious existence, limit your exposure to them for a time. Only work on the first, "S1", one year of your life.

I will later address some other interesting points of your post, when I'm not limited to posting on a phone.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

"Our forefathers would be firing by now."

Uh, you have not even agreed and accepted that the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish and that the purpose of freedom of speech is to enable the unity adequate to alter or abolish.

You actually are not appreciated as an un needed peanut gallery until you do agree with and accept those concepts as intended for us to use to protect our rights.

And please cease advocating violence and death in this thread.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

First of all, you must gather a critical mass of folks that are actually pro-American. Not neo-cons or "libertarians" that support open borders and the death of the nation.
The founding fathers were clear on that point-of open borders and being ruled by merchants.

Me and Chris are the only two people so far who even accept the premise of liberty. Do you as well? It is defined in the OP.

Your first statement is truthful, and is in line with the spirit of the OP. Your conclusions thereafter are of questionable origin.

You have arrived at a very weird time. What is the reason? Why active now but member since 2013 with only 59 posts?

It's possible Watson that Americans1st is one of the lurkers I know is reading trying to gain some perspective on what Americans are up to with working on unity (as the first sentence of the post indicates) and is testing the waters with their perceptions of what constitutes current politics.

But you are correct, the agreement upon prime constitutional intent IS defined in the OP as well as the purpose of making it, serves.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Uh, you have not even agreed and accepted that the framers intended for Americans to alter or abolish and that the purpose of freedom of speech is to enable the unity adequate to alter or abolish.

You actually are not appreciated as an un needed peanut gallery until you do agree with and accept those concepts as one intended for us to use to protect our rights.

And please cease advocating violence and death in this thread.

And I would give a frick about what you want or think and/or your fantasy imagined thread posting criteria, WHY?

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

And I would give a frick about what you want or think and/or your fantasy imagined thread posting criteria, WHY?

Okay, you have again confirmed your contempt for constitutional principles.

Perhaps you can find another place to locate someone else besides yourself that is looking to engage violence and death rather than reason towards a peaceful, lawful revolution.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Okay, you have again confirmed your contempt for constitutional principles.

Perhaps you can find another place to locate someone else besides yourself that is looking to engage violence and death rather than reason towards a peaceful, lawful revolution.

I checked with "Oxymorons R Us", and no takers. Sorry. <Shrug!>

"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent."

 

[wizardwatson]

I've had to pull a post of yours from another thread, Chris.

Okay, use a pencil and paper like I did when I first started doing carburetors at 15 years of age.

When I started doing automotive carbs, the kit provided an exploded diagram. I quickly learned that resolution and small parts did not always add up to a useful diagram. Back came the pencil and paper.

These things are all tools with different purposes. Some more benevolent that others. I have an old saying, perhaps 35 years ago I started using. "If we could build batteries well as we build bombs, we would not need bombs."

If I was wizard Watson I would say, "Hey, God sent us a message by what he sends our intuitions for inspiration of our cognition. The fact that 90% of technology development in the last 50 years is mostly communication and information oriented, tells us what we need to do."

Communicate, share and learn. Thanks for posting!

I'm confused. Maybe you can alleviate my confusion.

What makes you presume to know what I would say about anything? Especially concerning the Father?

This is a clear violation of the 4th commandment:

Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Now, I know you aren't a Christian. You've only mentioned God 3 times in this thread and the primary test of a Christian is the confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Lord of Heaven and Earth. You haven't named him at all. Only the Father brings those he chooses to Christ. I do not fault you for not claiming to be a Christian or even for being an atheist for that matter. Because it is not relevant to our agreement.

If you don't want to take this thread, or me, or our agreement seriously then that is fine. Why don't you just end it? If you don't take it serious and you started it, how do you expect me or anyone else to? But I will not allow someone I rubber-stamped on this forum for the first time ever to parade me around after speaking with me hardly at all as if I've anointed him as a Christian. Because when you say that I would say God said anything, then there's only one God I'm ever talking about and anyone who knows me knows who that God is.

The two posts you made after replying to me (7 when I posted this) are so alien my unconscious shock made me imagine as if perhaps you just got sock-puppeted by some nefarious forces, dissolved in acid after starring in a Satanic snuff film, and replaced. I'm hoping that's simply a manifestation of your apparent power trip you are on thinking that you in any way speak for me.

...

Let me explain something very clearly to you. I already told you this place is sacred if only to me. I've have cried tears and literally sacrificed my family life on the altar of the ideas of this forum. But as seriously as I take this liberty business and our agreement I take the issue of faith so much more serious that liberty is but a faint cold light in the near infinite distance.

For me to declare in this medium in this place that we are together does not grant you any power. It puts you in a prison and in chains. These ghosts and goblins and vampires that lurk about in this crypt are the living dead. But I have chosen not one worthy to receive the sacred water.

Your precious "key" was not unlocked because of some greatness you possess. The sacred living water can fill any vessel.

...

Now, I'm going to "assume" for the sake of peace and reconciliation that you have taken my appearance of being "carefree" and whimsical and cryptic and playful as a sign that you would simply mimic me and we just need to be happy like a couple of butterflies. No doubt your amateur attempt to absorb my unconscious and subliminal messages made you drunk. If you can't maintain focus, don't drink so quickly.

So drunk apparently that the first thing you decide to do when I merely respectfully nod hello from my point of view, is "thank God", then go outside to have a lay down with the whores and the money changers and brag about how you've received my blessings by spouting nonsense about how me and my God would be discussing carburators. These Nazi's and blasphemers get a pass because I'm not in cahoots with them, and the I follow the commands of the Lord when in a foreign land.

You think because I said "Masons", and the "Order", and because I post alchemy symbols, that we are the same? We are not. My candy-cane rainbow bright behavior is for the sick children in the temple. Not for men I'm in agreement with. Men I'm in agreement with are to toe the line. If you think these roaches and dung beetles in here have censured and roasted you then what do you think is going to happen if you get on the bad side of the fire-breathing dragon?

The reason I know about seekers, and entered apprentices, and alchemists, and Templars, is because all those Women have let vile men do vile things, and their crimes have cracked there temple walls, and the blood they've spilled on their altars has sept into the ground water poisoning that which I drink.

If all your "agreement" is, is another form of money or reputation and you think you've bought me with it then we can end our agreement right now.

And as a memorial to this show of disrespect I will make the ending of that agreement so loud that instead of the proverbial sulfur and sweat and rat dung and snake shit that litters the floor of this holy place, I will paint the walls with the blood of a seeker who drank from the sacred fountain and "thanked God" by blaspheming him and hang his bones in the doorway to warn the next one who comes for a drink.

Metaphorically speaking of course.

...

But again. I only aim to make a point. Perhaps this is another one of your tests. Or perhaps you simply were providing me with the hard target I asked for (wishful thinking?). If that's the case then good show, though if you keep it up you'll be alone again and I'll probably just go back to sleep. I don't seek glory in the eyes of others, only in the eyes of the Lord.

If you were genuinely caught off guard by this response then you are clueless about my intent. My intent was never to alter or abolish. I thought I made it quite clear in the post directly following my entering into the agreement that I never said that was my intent but that I agreed that was the Founders intent.

The only thing that appealed to me about your agreement was its simplicity. And I'm in agreement with its simple components.

1. I agree with the questions.
2. You accept my sincerity.
3. I believe you are in the ideal place to seek wider participation.

I'm in your club means I'm part of your agreement. But you are in my domain by virtue of the fact that you are in agreement with me. We are not "moral" by nature of being in agreement with one another but only by nature of being in agreement with God. You are half-baked.

Stick to the plan. I went off running and incorporated ringing this liberty bell of yours into my daily routine. My daily routine doesn't involve violating the 4th commandment in a blatant way. An OMG, and a godammit here and there on occasion (usually never in writing either, only in speech), but not anything close to what you did up there and at the same time talking as if we were "friends" in any other sense that dictated by the agreement.

My initial estimate was that if we continued the initiated process with dialog in the primary thread at the rate we were progressing we may have shown progress you would have noticed in a few weeks. The fact that I'm going off in different directions talking about you is part of what I'm doing daily. You haven't replied quickly enough to take up all my time. This is my area, I know what I'm doing. You clearly do not. If you want to do your own thing then by all means, post away. I don't control you. But keep my name out of it outside of the context of our agreement and don't talk about God as if you understand what I mean by the name. It is dangerous for our future relationship. Mystic, not just Martial rules apply here. I'm aware you're not a mystic. If you have a question about the rules just ask. You now know one. Do not blaspheme if you intend to remain in agreement with me.

You can certainly talk "about" God. Even quoting him from the bible. I recommend the King James 1611. There is no such thing as "God would say this". I say "God did 9/11" not because God did this and not that and I'm aware of it. I know God does ALL THINGS and I only point out 9/11 for the sake of those seeking knowledge of Him. You used His name to promote an idea.

...

You aren't Chuck Norris here. You are the karate kid. Before you try to crane kick some of these golems you need to paint the fence and carry the water. I didn't become good at this by being good at this. I became good by obeying the law. Submission is the primary principle. It's a far more useful term than "agreement". In the context of the mystical the word "agreement" doesn't cut it. It implies you are a volunteer before the power of God. Submission is better because it implies that lack of it will break you, which is closer to the truth.

...

If all of these seemed to be a fist from the darkness, then you haven't even realized I operate in the blind. I see your old man face with my human eyes, but in the spiritual sense I operate from faith and principle only. We haven't gotten close to seeing one another. I acknowledged your presence only.

If you want to know where the railings are and need to hold on, stay in this primary thread to discuss the process with me and perhaps more sophisticated techniques can develop. Stick to the basic plan of getting others to agree outside of it and simply follow my lead if you get outside this thread. Anti-liberty, anti-libery, anti-free speech. Point it out, try to get people to see reason. Get them in the light. Transparency is key. That strategy got you this far don't abandon it because you found me. I'm just one person. I'm no more special than you. I'm not sure if MY INTENT will be made clear to you. My intent has not changed. Yours shouldn't either without sufficient cause because you've seen a mirage.

In post #142 in thread [3] I said I was your bitch and you were my bitch. The 'your bitch' part was a courtesy because of the limitiations of the analogy and I errored on the side of respect to you. When you mention me only mention that we are united in liberty in plain terms. An embryonic constitution (I'm assuming you see this fact, maybe I'm wrong here).

Our roles aren't the same. I'll simply say you are more impressive than anyone I've met here. Which is true. However, when you mention me now it comes with a price. You can say anything you want about me as long as you don't violate the Martial and the Mystic code bringing further censure. You understand the Martial code for the most part. I've given you a very central mystic code. But whenever you mention me, if you don't mention that I am a Christian (or professed Christian, if you wish) and that you are not a Christian in the same post and if you violate this more than two times I will end our agreement permanently. This will not apply in this thread. This is a permanent rule. I will relieve it when it is no longer true.

You are accountable to this rule whether or not you acknowledge it starting from the time of this post. If you aren't paying attention to your own thread then you aren't worth the effort.

None of your other posts are of any interest to me. In fact in this primary thread where we are supposed to be refining the process you answered question 3 before question 1.

Plus you completely missed the question. I asked you if your "litmus test was engineered for another purpose". I didn't ask you if there was another "intent" from the realm of law. I'm saying you think this thing you made was to "fix society" but what if it was simply to gather people? Or maybe just lead you here?

This is all but a sign to me that your sincerity is in question. Or at least your focus. Your blashpemy in the temple is even affecting your reading comprehension is my guess.

Not that answering 3 before 1 is necessarily a hard rule. But you didn't even comprehend the question you chose to answer out of order. The Lord is a stumbling block to those who resist him.

You are blind. We both are. The first step is accepting that. Not only are you new at it, but you've never been in a place the equivalent of the Chokey before and ALSO been blind. Be stil. Follow the rules. Hold on to the railing. Stay in the light. Stop talking to people who aren't listening. Ring the bell only. Don't convince yourself that you know anyone. Remember the Socratic principle.

If you need to be reminded of whose domain you are in, look at the opinion you had of me in thread [4] where you announced in my temple that you had "proof" that I am not a sincere American, and yet here we are in the thread where you are thanking the God of Heaven that I am the first person you ever met who is fully cognizant of your mechanism.

My intent has certainly shifted mildly over the years, sometimes drastically but not in ways noticeable to most. But that thread is on the map. And my intent certainly hasn't changed that much since April 28th, 2015. If you'd like to understand why you were confused by my communications and claimed "proof" of being a liberty denier when in fact I had was only checking your Mystic credentials in the temple then I encourage you to revisit and discover the source of your ignorance.

I think you may need to go back and read your own words here as well:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...NDERSTANDING&p=5928976&viewfull=1#post5928976

..and consider that maybe YOU don't understand the power of agreement between people. You didn't "succeed", you just finally got started. Thank God by getting serious.

I will pray for you and ask for your forgiveness and for mine for anything I may have done to draw you from the path.

...

3 before 1...

Seriously, do you not watch movies or something? Everybody watches movies. SMDH.

 

[wizardwatson]

What "conclusion" are you referring to? The reason? Are you trolling me?

You're conclusion that border policy defines "true Americans". I agree the goal is to find true Americans. I have doubts about your assessment of what that is.

I'm asking the "reason" you are interested at all anymore. Your post count is low. Just wondering what all the sudden made you want to do grass roots stuff. Have a coffee or whatever.

What changed? You don't come on here often so you don't understand the rarity. And if you are a lurker, makes it even more curious, because you should understand the rarity.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

What "conclusion" are you referring to? The reason? Are you trolling me?

Yes.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

The Bill of Rights (so called) is not a list of our rights. Our rights do not come from the Constitution. The BoR only lists a few of the natural rights that governments were wont to abuse in the past, that are infamous for.
And, the 9th and 10th Amendments were meant to state in no uncertain terms that this was not a list of rights of the people.

 

[wizardwatson]

Yes.

I predate your existence on this forum. You are violating forum policy by calling me a troll.

I am using my real face and name (David Watson). You are some anonymous clip art mega poster with no clear agenda.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I predate your existence on this forum. You are violating forum policy by calling me a troll.

I am using my real face and name (David Watson). You are some anonymous clip art mega poster with no clear agenda.

But, you don't predate my existance, you youngin' And I didn't call you a troll, but agreed that you were trolling. Something about hating the sin but not the sinner, but I'm not Christian so I'll not harp on that.

I'm using my real name, and my avatar represents my attitude, for the most part, on this forum these days. You haven't always used you pic as your avatar, I did once and didn't call you out on it. Do you also jump on the bandwagon of blaming people who do what you did yesterday but now don't, like becoming a Christian or quitting smoking or whatever?

I have a fairly extensive post history, but won't blame you for not digging since you really don't give a shit...you are on a roll...for something...

edit: And my post count comes, partially, from efforts in 2012 like this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370863-RPF-Web-Warriors-Current-Tasks

edit again: I miss PolicyReader too.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Mr Wizard,

Why did you choose to respond to my "yes' comment instead of the following reference?

The Bill of Rights (so called) is not a list of our rights. Our rights do not come from the Constitution. The BoR only lists a few of the natural rights that governments were wont to abuse in the past, that are infamous for.
And, the 9th and 10th Amendments were meant to state in no uncertain terms that this was not a list of rights of the people.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

I've had to pull a post of yours from another thread, Chris.

Seriously, do you not watch movies or something? Everybody watches movies. SMDH.

Very sorry Watson. Apologies, I knew I was being presumptuous, but somehow felt you might accept the perspective.

I do not watch movies generally. I take almost nothing from Corporate Americas entertainment. It's pretty clear to me that power intends to corrupt, distract and mislead.

There are clues and evidence left for us however and those tend to be recognized by many and brought forth for the masses to ponder. That I find and use as I might best to make sense of events. However consistency and clarity of purpose needs to be easily visible. Within one instance or over many.

But the point of this thread is to show definition of potential basis for unity unmistakably related to the prime principles of the framing documents. The Greater Meaning of Free Speech woven into the revision of the 1st amendment has the potential for ending the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech. So I'm very appreciative of your asking for what preparatory amendment might look like.

Then the thread serves to show how legal process can give the people authority over their state governments setting the foundation for a lawful and peaceful revolution providing functional mechanism to utilize our unity.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I predate your existence on this forum. You are violating forum policy by calling me a troll.

I am using my real face and name (David Watson). You are some anonymous clip art mega poster with no clear agenda.

Ooh, ooh, I seriously just can not resist. "It's elementary, my dear Watson." Ahhhhhh.<sigh>
(I know Sherlock never actually said that, but it's widely popular.)

 

[wizardwatson]

Very sorry Watson. Apologies, I knew I was being presumptuous, but somehow felt you might accept the perspective.

I do not watch movies generally. I take almost nothing from Corporate Americas entertainment. It's pretty clear to me that power intends to corrupt, distract and mislead.

There are clues and evidence left for us however and those tend to be recognized by many and brought forth for the masses to ponder. That I find and use as I might best to make sense of events. However consistency and clarity of purpose needs to be easily visible. Within one instance or over many.

But the point of this thread is to show definition of potential basis for unity unmistakably related to the prime principles of the framing documents. The Greater Meaning of Free Speech woven into the revision of the 1st amendment has the potential for ending the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech. So I'm very appreciative of your asking for what preparatory amendment might look like.

Then the thread serves to show how legal process can give the people authority over their state governments setting the foundation for a lawful and peaceful revolution providing functional mechanism to utilize our unity.

Water under the troll bridge.

You know what I've changed my mind.

You do whatever you want. I don't think my agreement requires any action on my part at this point. Plus I've put years of effort into these threads I've created. Pretty sure all the answers are there. Not really fair to expect me to regurgitate and reformat, especially for someone versed in the "oral histories". By the way. Jeffrey Lebowski got a carton of milk on the day that Atta and Neo got their license renewed. That's kind of spooky.

Clearly, none of your sentences end in question marks. You're appreciative of me asking and yet you don't ask anything. Seems a bit one-sided. Plus how is the "greater" after the lesser purpose. If it was greater shouldn't it come first.

Don't answer that.

Think about it. And ask me something cool. Or give me like a toy or puzzle or something.

If you have any questions about me just ask Ronin Truth. He knows who I am. Plus he lives right next to me. I think it's those truth bombs he keeps dropping causing all the earthquakes.

I'm just over the rainbow if you need me.

Taking a nap now.

P.S. If speech is primary, why does first amendment begin with religion? Were the founders confused? You know what don't answer that. Consult the oracle or something and try not to bore me anymore.

 

[wizardwatson]

Christopher A. Brown, you are by far the most prolific anti-liberty poster I've seen on this site in quite some time.

Sorry, Chris. fisharmor has made 'infinity' of your ideas at scout camp.

Take your baubles and trinkets elsewhere! We have everything under control.

Isn't attempting to overthrow the government, by definition a criminal offense?

Well, it is in the Empire of Lies. Where the Truth is a Ronin.

In a nutshell, can you please explain how you have a lawful revolt against the government?

(This is the part of the story where someone who has been paying attention all these long years weeps for humanity.)

Luckily you are guided by Fenton Crackshell.

Got any more oxymorons?

Ooo! Me, Me, Me!

1 We Will Never Forget.

2 Saving Jesus from the Church

3 A Ron Paul Republican disagreeing with Chris.

...

You are not going to pick up the signal without tuning your tin foil hat to guerilla radio station.

Due to extreme levels of irony inherent in the corrupted program you will need to turn on the "Idiot Box" to receive this transmission.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Sorry, Chris. fisharmor has made 'infinity' of your ideas at scout camp.

Take your baubles and trinkets elsewhere! We have everything under control.





Well, it is in the Empire of Lies. Where the Truth is a Ronin.

A Samurai without a master? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ronin

Meds check!



(This is the part of the story where someone who has been paying attention all these long years weeps for humanity.)

Luckily you are guided by Fenton Crackshell.

Ooo! Me, Me, Me!

1 We Will Never Forget.

2 Saving Jesus from the Church

3 A Ron Paul Republican disagreeing with Chris.

...

You are not going to pick up the signal without tuning your tin foil hat to guerilla radio station.

Due to extreme levels of irony inherent in the corrupted program you will need to turn on the "Idiot Box" to receive this transmission.

//

 

[wizardwatson]

Ooh, ooh, I seriously just can not resist. "It's elementary, my dear Watson." Ahhhhhh.<sigh>
(I know Sherlock never actually said that, but it's widely popular.)

People have wanted to talk to me forever. Now they have the chance and all I get is an army of insufferable bores. Well, if you call a couple posts a day an army, anyway.

Thomas Augustus Watson (January 18, 1854 – December 13, 1934) was an assistant to Alexander Graham Bell, notably in the invention of the telephone in 1876. He is best known because, as the recipient of the first telephone call - although coming from just the next room - his name became the first words ever said over the phone. "Mr. Watson - Come here - I want to see you," Bell said when first using the new invention, according to Bell's laboratory notebook.[1] There is some dispute about the actual words used, as Thomas Watson, in his own voice, remembered it as "Mr. Watson - Come here - I want you," in a film made for Bell Labs in 1931 which is referenced below in "The Engines of our Ingenuity."

WATSON Surname Meaning & Origin:

Watson is a patronymic surname meaning "son of Watt." The popular Middle English given names Wat or Watt were pet forms of the name Walter, meaning "ruler of the army." From the elements wald, meaning rule, and heri, meaning army.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.