A lawful and peaceful revolution.

Got any more :cool: oxymorons?

Prove that the notion of a peaceful revolution is an oxymoron.

Prove that the intent of Article V is other than a lawful and peaceful revolution.

Generally you are not accountable with any proof of you assertions. So I'm not expecting any now. With that, you are by default, promoting violent revolution or NO revolution. Despicable and shameful.
 
Isn't attempting to overthrow the government, by definition a criminal offense?

Through Article V, with the states acting under the control of the people, a lawful effective revolution can take place.

They key to this is the realization that Lincoln in 1859 said, "the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts" because the people are t sonly ones that can DEFINE constitutional intent. The courts and congress can only interpret it.

Article V is the democratic control over the republic.

The people only need to agree upon definition of PRIME constitutional intent. This is actually fairly easy, but, very much out-of-the-box of politics that Americans have learned. Which shows how government has been protecting its unconstitutional status by not teaching the truth of the structure of the republic and how it protests itself.

Following the act of 1871 this is very much a logical usurpation of constitutional intent that would be expected by the infiltrators that divided the country with war.

To argue with this is to go along with and support the infiltration.
 
Hi, Chris. Let's talk.

Are you a mason? Do you have an opinion on the masons? You seem like you might. I'm always looking for clues and what not.
 
Hi, Chris. Let's talk.

Are you a mason? Do you have an opinion on the masons? You seem like you might. I'm always looking for clues and what not.

I am not a Mason. I do understand them very well on a level they do not use. They do basically respect it though. That understanding comes through the Indigenous American people that investigated them and their occultisms extensively.

We have some very good and knowledgable men who Are Masons. Then we have some with an unconscious agenda that are taking advantage of the power which is historically held by the Order. They are exploiting the oaths of secrecy, confidentiality and brotherhood to destroy something the best Masons regard VERY highly. Something they created with the advice and guidance of the Indigenous Americans. Specifically the Six Nations Iroquois and more specifically the Seneca. The Constitution and efforts leading to it which go back to the Magna Carta.

Of the loyalists some were Masons also. This caused a mixing or confusion of intents within the Order. That is resolving, with the understanding of the people.
 
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That's kind of a long post, but is the general gist of it, that it would be done through the mechanism of voting on it?

If so, count me in!
 
Impeached?

Impeached by their fellow officials who also failed the test?

Candidates who are felons get votes.

I think that officials in general are smarter than you, so will be disinclined to destroy their careers by failing to recognize obvious constitutional intent.

Your disregard for the power of constitutional Intent is only equaled by your unaccountability.

In the system You understand they get votes. In the system you do not understand they do not get votes. Return to top.
 
I think that officials in general are smarter than you, so will be disinclined to destroy their careers by failing to recognize obvious constitutional intent.

Your disregard for the power of constitutional Intent is only equaled by your unaccountability.

In the system You understand they get votes. In the system you do not understand they do not get votes. Return to top.

The whole system is filled with "officials" who enhance their careers by disregarding the constitution.

You fail to understand simple human nature.

People vote for people that give them stuff.

They care not a fuck all about much else.

So, after all this, you got nothing.

You are attempting to secure justice and liberty using the same system that is dedicated to taking it away.

Futility meeting hopelessness, head on.

And you call the people that could secure liberty, dupes, and actors.

You know what I think?

I think you are the infiltrating agent, sent to confuse the issue and undermine what will work.
 
This year's revolution has been delayed pending the arrival of the permission from the government.
 
Impeached?

Impeached by their fellow officials who also failed the test?

Candidates who are felons get votes.

Being a "felon" today doesn't carry the stigma it once did unless one is seeking government employment...

In fact I tend to be leary of anyone who hasn't been arrested for drugs, guns, tax evasion or some other victimless crime...

Problem is murders, rapists and child molesters are lumped in with the former group...

Then again all of the felonious behavior I listed is performed under the color of law by governments officials and dubbed heroic...

No wonder I'm confused......:o
 
Being a "felon" today doesn't carry the stigma it once did unless one is seeking government employment...

In fact I tend to be leary of anyone who hasn't been arrested for drugs, guns, tax evasion or some other victimless crime...

Problem is murders, rapists and child molesters are lumped in with the former group...

Then again all of the felonious behavior I listed is performed under the color of law by governments officials and dubbed heroic...

No wonder I'm confused......:o
Perhaps this will help.

"The State's criminality is nothing new and nothing to be wondered at. It began when the first predatory group of men clustered together and formed the State, and it will continue as long as the State exists in the world, because the State is fundamentally an anti-social institution, fundamentally criminal." ~ Albert Jay Nock


 
The whole system is filled with "officials" who enhance their careers by disregarding the constitution.

You fail to understand simple human nature.

People vote for people that give them stuff.

They care not a fuck all about much else.

So, after all this, you got nothing.

Are you trying to provide an example for readers of the kind of thinking the "officials" who enhance their careers by disregarding the constitution." want people to use?

Cognitive distortions of all or nothing thinking, over generalizing and minimizing are not law, they are not even rational.

I'm asking people to understand law. Natural law which the framing documents exemplify for us and have been revered for centuries as corrupt officials work to degrade their influence over our government and society.

Your post starts off with the classic cognitive infiltrators technique.

You are attempting to secure justice and liberty using the same system that is dedicated to taking it away.

Wait a minute, you just said it was "officials" who enhance their careers by disregarding the constitution." Now it is a system of law too? Are you saying the doctrine or structure of the constitution is also doing this taking?

I'm saying there are "officials" who enhance their careers by disregarding the constitution." and they are IGNORING the constitution and enriching their own class by exploiting their positions with secrecy and corruption.

I'm saying that when the people understand the intent of the constitution, and unify around it, redefining it, using their numbers as a majority, the people take control.

Futility meeting hopelessness, head on.

And you call the people that could secure liberty, dupes, and actors.

Their act did not stop Fergusen or Baltimore. Operation jade helm proceeds un impeded. Americans are shot and killed by LE all over America on a daily basis and no one expects justice to be found because of unconstitutional government in control of what should be constitutional.

I advocate the people impose the tyranny of the masses upon all government with constitutional unity purging all that is not constitutional and supporting that which is.

You know what I think?

I think you are the infiltrating agent, sent to confuse the issue and undermine what will work.

Of course the infiltrating agent would try and promote that, but what you present as having worked did not. It was only a standoff in a remote desert location publicized by countless people who espouse potentially violent confrontation with corrupt government that has been arming police departments with military equipment and weapons for years.

And you have counter parts here you work with, osan, Phil4who, auh20, ronin or whatever there nameless faceless usernames are. They all reject the purpose of free speech as enabling a lawful and peaceful revolution or refuse to agree upon prime constitutional intent.

They bounce useless posts around discussing racism, 2nd AMD issues, corruption and sensation without ever working to actually stop the problem.

I'm here alone, with my real name, using reason and an appreciation for natural law and some scraps of real history to try and create common ground upon constitutional intent which can be used to control government.
 
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No Delays Accepted Ronin-no matter how dysfunctional you are.

This year's revolution has been delayed pending the arrival of the permission from the government.

Maybe next year

The government cannot deny us the revolution which is defined in Article V. It is only our failure to unify adequately to use Article V that denies us our revolution.

Ronin is one of the first deniers in failure. I remember Ronin from October2011 forum. Same shit then.

A socialist with no plan, the only action is working against the founding documents and its plan that probably 200 million people believe in, but do not understand adequately to use. Ronin blocks that expanded understanding unreasonably, unaccountably, failing to see the simple, natural law purpose of freedom of speech that enables our unity simply by the recognition of its purpose.

Mind you, that is unity of 200 million people, ONCE it starts.

They will realize immediately that the purpose is abridged, and know it time to start the revolution, TOGETHER, or without the political establishment that enriches itself from its dysfunctional activities.
 
I understand, I'm actually of the same mind. But you know the opposition is on IRC etc. trying to out maneuver. But you are right, if we got the high ground, it don't matter, and we do,

I have a thread to discuss it, rather than hijack this one. Same thing I've been posting about a lawful and peaceful revolution.

It's the only real thing going besides partisan investment, which is more than I can stomach at this point. The way I see it, partisanship is leading us into real trouble and the lawful and peaceful revolution will eventually be the only real thing left. However, things might be designed so that's it's too late by that time.

The first and most vital thing is the agreement upon the founders intent. You phrased that very well. You agree that was their intent, but not sure whether you side with them or not.

If you don't want to use my thread, for that, maybe start one on that subject.

Your threads fine.

Wanted to say, I was actually impressed by your mechanic. I first pegged you as an irrational actor. After understanding your litmus test it makes sense. It's very clever, actually. And you did it in the ideal place and it worked.

If you'll notice in my signature the red pill 'X' link is my 9/11 thread. I only posted it recently because I was only ready to broadcast on that subject recently. On the surface it's just me endorsing Jonathan Cahn, but that's no small thing.

So if you want to talk on the weird end of the spectrum, I'd say we could do it there.

If you want to talk about practical solutions I guess we can talk here.

Time is short in either case.

Is there any specific ideas you have about how you'd like to structure our communication?
 
I would say that since we both have common interests in the same areas, we do it in both places.

Here is where the solution is engaged and there is where justified motivation to commit to specific solution is created.

Do you understand the basic process and strategy proposed in this thread to amend the infiltrated federal government out of business after purifying the states of unconstitutional legislators?

If not, ask here, I'll answer here. If you do understand that legal
Process and strategy, then it's a matter of engaging the first step. No small step.

It is the biggest of all. Finding a way to involve more and more Americans in a very simple agreement upon the framers prime intents for us to defend and enforce our rights, laws etc, so that those like ourselves who understand the uses of the mechanisms can get started finding others that also do, and can organize activists who fully understand the intents, how to share them and how to use them lawfully to remove unconstitutional
Legislators.

The motivational/justificationsl side in its most extreme can take place in your thread. I happen to be one of the only people around that has intimate knowledge of the structure of the Twin Towers,

Seems it might be best to delineate where it's all going, then work on why, just because most activism these days is all about WHY, with no good idea of how or where to go with it.

Something tells me you've read the legal process and understand the straightforwardness of it fairly well. Is that correct?
 
I would say that since we both have common interests in the same areas, we do it in both places.

Here is where the solution is engaged and there is where justified motivation to commit to specific solution is created.

Do you understand the basic process and strategy proposed in this thread to amend the infiltrated federal government out of business after purifying the states of unconstitutional legislators?

If not, ask here, I'll answer here. If you do understand that legal Process and strategy, then it's a matter of engaging the first step. No small step.

It is the biggest of all. Finding a way to involve more and more Americans in a very simple agreement upon the framers prime intents for us to defend and enforce our rights, laws etc, so that those like ourselves who understand the uses of the mechanisms can get started finding others that also do, and can organize activists who fully understand the intents, how to share them and how to use them lawfully to remove unconstitutional Legislators.

The motivational/justificationsl side in its most extreme can take place in your thread.

I happen to be one of the only people around that has intimate knowledge of the structure of the Twin Towers,

Seems it might be best to delineate where it's all going, then work on why, just because most activism these days is all about WHY, with no good idea of how or where to go with it.

Something tells me you've read the legal process and understand the straightforwardness of it fairly well. Is that correct?

Well, it is now for the most part. I wasn't really paying attention to you before. I've created a map to follow you. I will stay in these threads if I communicate. Obviously this one will be primary but I may go back to some old ones from when we talked before.

[1] http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

[2] http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...9-11-Truth-Thread-Tale-of-the-Spooky-Shemitah

[3] http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471836-WTC-really-had-concrete-core-(split-thread)

[4] http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?473730-Constitutional-Intent-Baltimore-thread-split

After looking over your post content in light of new information and actually comprehending, you do appear to have been a consistent activist. I've simply been in a different place for quite some time so wasn't actively seeking interaction on that level. If you want to bore yourself, you can see what I've been doing last couple days on these two threads:

[5] http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-reputation-system-to-minimize-cyber-bullying

[6] http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?478559-Split-derail-about-immigration

Gotta, say you were pretty prophetic in the OP about "changing" things when you look at [5].

Now the reason I didn't see you is because, as I said, I wasn't seeking interaction on this level, haven't in a while. I've been in pretty much full throttle mystical mode. It's my dominant side really, at least lately. Now as you correctly pointed out, the other thread is mystical in nature.

As you've indicated that isn't your focus and you think in general people are overstimulated on that side. Now naturally, my instinct is that you yourself are lacking in that area based on your post there. But this is simply from my perspective. But you didn't join my club, I joined yours. So while I might reply there, don't feel pressured to indulge me simply to reciprocate. I want to help you with your thing first. Better to focus on the primary objective as much as possible given the limited time and resources. Then if you develop interest on that side, we'll play it by ear.

Of course reality is one, and even our attempts to focus don't remove all elements. For instance, look at the timing.

In post #12 of this thread where you get all whiney, "not one person has come here", you linked to thread [4]. That is our main thread where we talked. The last 20 posts, 61-80 are just me and you talking. And for the record, you stopped talking. You gave up on me. But in your defense, I was a little carefree at that time. Had too many other things going on in my life to get serious on RPF.

The whole context was carefree but the subject was mystical.

Now a little over 48 hours ago is when I answered your questions in the affirmative. That just so happened to be the same exact time I was composing thread [5]. See the timing. Now, no need to comment on that, it's really common sense to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, but it's quite prophetic indeed to me that the same time I pass your test is when I make the most significant move since I've been on RPF that is directly related to the reason you need the test in the first place!

Now I may comment on 9/11 in [3] but I want to make a point I made long ago when 9/11 truth was infecting this forum.

My point was it doesn't affect strategy. I said this over and over and over again on here. It doesn't matter if it was inside job, or terrorists, or God himself for that matter with respect to the strategy of the liberty movement. No one would agree, or for that matter acknowledge. Something tells me you might.

I mention this because it relates to social network dynamics in general. Ultimately these operatives aren't "unique" or special. They are death-eaters. They mimic death. That is the essence of the state. It loves death. Which is why you can't resist evil with dark tactics and must stay in the light. Because since the dark networks mimic the weak and the sick, to strike them in the dark would be to risk hitting an innocent.

This violates the principles of the Tao, the Way, and the Lord Christ.

So ultimately, really, the sick and the pretending to be sick, are both sick, the latter is just SEVERELY sick, and to be pitied. The difference is the former has been cursed and will be shown mercy, and the latter has been blessed and will be judged.

I say all this, not to bring our future discussion into this realm really, but to point out that I'm well aware of the dynamics of sociopathic actors in group systems so I'd prefer if we simply focus on the strategies most useful for achieving your goals.

Plus, the vampires that do exist in this ecosystem are already proud enough, no benefit in acknowledging them and making it worse.

So let's cut to the chase as they say. I won't bore you with my life story. If you have specific questions just ask.

....

So, some questions to get started:

1. Do you have the draft of the proposed preparatory amendment that is required? Basically, would like to understand this process in detail. It sounds like you've thought it out, to you have a rough draft of the actual amendment(s) proposing?

2. In post #18 you say you need 5000 Americans. Is that per state? How many do you have so far? You say the first step is to find "more and more" Americans. Is this implying you have some? Guess I'm wondering where you are in the overall plan.

3. So do you think you'll be banned here as you mentioned you were when others accepted your litmus test? Maybe you will. If the Lord gives them that power. Of course you could get banned just for being an annoying poster like some others. LOL. Anyway, guess I'm also wondering what happens to these other people who have accepted your proposal? When I originally reached out to you in post #23 you were cryptic but nothing I could unlock. You claim a "we" in #24. Is your entire network still operating in the dark? Currently we are operating in the light. Granted, 2 isn't a lot. But this is the Well of Souls. A sacred place by my estimation. I'm wondering what your real support is, and if their are others, are they on this site? If they aren't why not? We could use some real supporters here.

Anyway, it seems to me if you are alone just say so. If you aren't then what is the reason you are the only one on this site?

So those are my questions. You also seem sincere. But then again, so did many others on here in the old days, and things change. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt though.

Let me know how I can help you.

P.S. 2nd link in sectin D of OP is dead. See, I'm helping already. :)
 
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