9% Have Considered Quitting Their U.S. Citizenship. Have you?

Have you considered giving up your U.S. Citizenship?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 69.6%
  • No

    Votes: 14 30.4%

  • Total voters
    46
I've considered it then a couple of minutes later I ask myself: where is there to go? And even if there is such a place I lack the wealth, language skills, and human capital to gain entry.

They will let you move,a USA passport will get you anywhere.The language skills are not such a big problem because English is currently the language of the world.If you have skills money would also not be a problem,with USA wages you could save enough in a few months to have a little spending fund until you sort out.Age,human capital ,the readiness to make the cultural change is what is the real problem,the last one being the biggest problem.



I always hear how New Zealand is the place to be. I don't know I've never been there, but from my limited amount of research it seems like record numbers of Kiwis are moving to Australia.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/record-number-kiwis-leaving-australia-5331117

Yes New Zealand is the place to be if you want to be at the edge of the world,there is a reason they are giving citizenship's left and right to who ever wants to go.



It is not like it is easy to immigrate a lot or even most of those countries. Canada is even difficult to immigrate to. I would only renounce citizenship for tax reasons if meant going to a country with zero capital gains rate. Most of those countries are also considerably less free outside of economics.

In what way do you think that the USA is freer than Estonia and Finland ? Because if you think that the USA is freer socially than any European country especially Eastern or South European ones I really don't know what to say.
 
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They will let you move,a USA passport will get you anywhere.The language skills are not such a big problem because English is currently the language of the world.If you have skills money would also not be a problem,with USA wages you could save enough in a few months to have a little spending fund until you sort out.Age,human capital ,the readiness to make the cultural change is what is the real problem,the last one being the biggest problem.


In what way do you think that the USA is freer than Estonia and Finland ? Because if you think that the USA is freer socially than any European country especially Eastern or South European ones I really don't know what to say.


You can get arrested in a lot of European countries for making racist statements. Michael Savage got banned from entering the UK. Most, not all, most Euro countries are not freer economically or socially. I don't think you can even own a handgun in a lot of European countries. I have no idea if Estonia or Finland is freer. It looks like Finland has higher marginal tax rates.

Try moving to Canada just taking your own advice. See how that works for you. Just tell them you have a US passport and a couple months income saved. They will probably just smile and say "Come on in, eh."
 
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I live in Michigan and often consider making a run for Manitoba or Ontario in Canada.

Yeah they're more socialist, but what if I actually get a service for my Tax money instead of it all going to to Military or just disappearing? If I achieved some prosperity, I would consider sending money back to Liberty groups in America.

I also hope Canada will be more like England's parliament was regarding Syria and stop being a military Sidekick to America. Or at least only go for truly humanitarian aid.
The military issue with Canada is a result of Harper being a US puppet. It's no secret that he is going to buy $21 billion worth of jets from us, rather than spend that money on high speed rail linking half his country's citizens. (and the plan by the way was very solid)

In order to become a Canadian citizen, you must swear an oath to the Queen, so it might be wise to wait a few more years to see if Elizabeth croaks and they become a Republic.
 
If you are a US citizen the US requires that you pay income taxes even if you live outside the country (although the first 100k + housing costs are exempt). The US, Hungary and Eritrea are the only countries that do this.

Therefore, US citizenship is a worldwide slavery albatross.

If I lived outside the country that would be a valid argument. But again, and go where?

Why would I leave? The crooks in Washington are the ones that should leave.

Absolutely awesome response to the "love it or leave it" people.
 
My husband is Canadian. I wouldn't move there because socialism issues aside, it is very expensive to live there.
 
My husband is Canadian. I wouldn't move there because socialism issues aside, it is very expensive to live there.

Costs are relative. One way that Costs are measured is in Loss of Liberty. Another thing is that the US Exports its Inflation causing the currency of other countries to go down in value. What good does having lower prices than other countries matter if you live in a country where you cant find a job and thus afford anything? Compared to whats coming, this is not even "bad" right now.
 
Procedurally, if you are serious about giving up your citizenship, you must first leave the country and surrender your citizenship at a US Embasy. Unless another county grants you status, you are stateless.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION
A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:
1.appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
2.in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
3.sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of Section 349(a)(5), U.S. citizens cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.

C. REQUIREMENT - RENOUNCE ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES

A person seeking to renounce U.S. citizenship must renounce all the rights and privileges associated with such citizenships. In the case of Colon v. U.S. Department of State , 2 F.Supp.2d 43 (1998), the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia rejected Colon’s petition for a writ of mandamus directing the Secretary of State to approve a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in the case because he wanted to retain the right to live in the United States while claiming he was not a U.S. citizen.

D. DUAL NATIONALITY / STATELESSNESS

Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. Even if not stateless, former U.S. citizens would still be required to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, or show that they are eligible for admission pursuant to the terms of the Visa Waiver Pilot Program (VWPP). Nonetheless, renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

E. TAX & MILITARY OBLIGATIONS /NO ESCAPE FROM PROSECUTION

Persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware of the fact that renunciation of U.S. citizenship may have no affect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations (contact the Internal Revenue Service or U.S. Selective Service for more information). In addition, the act of renouncing U.S. citizenship does not allow persons to avoid possible prosecution for crimes which they may have committed in the United States, or escape the repayment of financial obligations previously incurred in the United States or incurred as United States citizens abroad.

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN/INCOMPETENTS

Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore, parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children. Similarly, parents/legal guardians may not renounce the citizenship of individuals who are mentally incompetent. Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1483), and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Please consider the effects of renouncing U.S. citizenship, described above, before taking this serious and irrevocable action.
 
Sort of a cart-before-the-horse interpretation. Most people don't just pick up and "quit their citizenship." People who quit their citizenship usually have established a tie or connection with another place, by living there and/or having a spouse of that place.

I have a foreign spouse and have spent plenty of time in her country. I have enough connection that I could easily make a transition. Plenty of Americans follow this path.
 
I've spent some time examining three main surveys of freedom. Fraser probably does a better job than Heritage or Freedom House, but their major shortcoming is including the broad category of safety and security. It's about one quarter of their measure. They not only measure threats from government, but threats from your neighbor. This totally misses the mark in my book, which makes some of these surveys meaningless. These surveyors should go live in these countries instead of constructing irrelevant methodologies.
 
My husband is Canadian. I wouldn't move there because socialism issues aside, it is very expensive to live there.

Yeah, I remember living in Vancouver and shopping in Washington State was about 40% cheaper for most stuff. Also gas is a lot cheaper.
 
Yeah, I remember living in Vancouver and shopping in Washington State was about 40% cheaper for most stuff. Also gas is a lot cheaper.

House prices are outrageous there too. $300k for a tiny house. Gas is about $5 a gallon.
 
House prices are outrageous there too. $300k for a tiny house. Gas is about $5 a gallon.

Yeah, Vancouver has way overpriced real estate. $300k won't even buy you a 1 bedroom condo anymore. Average house price in the city is over $600k nowadays. Suburbs a cheaper, but still ridiculously expensive.
 
Most of those are marginal in my book, but I have to ask. Singapore?


I have way too many people that I've met that are from all over the world that absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE Singapore. Been there a few times, seems rather nice, enjoyed it out there every time. Felt like the melting pot of Asia in terms of people and food.. I have a couple cousins who live there and are in love with the place.

But I know from others the place is run by 1 ruling family, and there is ZERO privacy, among other things.


Again. The word CONSIDER I used. I live in a place currently where there are LOTS of transient people. Many have stayed in a bunch of countries over the years, Singapore is usually one of those spots, and talked about very highly. Everyone says it's a more family oriented modern city, and very very safe, and low taxes. For being such a tiny place, they sure do have a TON of stuff to do for kids.


And don't get started on Singapore airlines. I haven't been on it before, but apparently its the eye candy of the world for airlines. Besides that it is supposed to be a very good airline. I take cheap flights so I never get to go on it.
 
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Never going to happen.

It is a much larger decision and not one that will be left to the unwashed masses.
Never going to happen?

More like, going to happen in less than 20 years for sure. Less than 5 if Elizabeth dies soon.

Canada, along with most of the Realms will ditch the Monarchy the moment Elizabeth dies. Support for the Monarchy has been cut in half in the last 30 years. Canada is more monarchist than NZ and Aus, but the Liberal Party is moving towards republicanism and they are likely to run Canada for the remainder of this decade.

Have a little faith.
 
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