9% Have Considered Quitting Their U.S. Citizenship. Have you?

[Anti Federalist]

The visual

So sorry...

 

[DamianTV]

When Hot Tyranny arrives, this will be one of the worst spots to be in. I was never given the Freedom to choose to be born a Citizen of the country in which I was born. If I move, the place where I move to might get bad too. They'll ALL get worse to a certain extent, but the degrees of how bad things get will vary from country to country. Or as others like to call it, "Human Farms" to "Human Farms".

 

[donnay]

We have all been born into captivity. If our hijacked government isn't stopped soon, there will be no place in the world that will be safe from this tyranny.

 

[green73]

Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains...

 

[ObiRandKenobi]

i've considered moving to another country, saving money, and then starting a niche porno company.

 

[mrsat_98]

By that logic, you never signed up to be born, either. That does not mean you should quit your existence by murdering yourself.

I suggest to take a close look at the 14th amendment i.e. "born subject to ....." I was born a member of the posterity ( future generations with respect to We the people ) I am damm tired of government presuming me to be a "US citizen subject to the jurisdiction thereof" the status given to freed slaves when they where removed from the southern plantation and placed on the federal plantation.

Our federal government has more respect for non-citizens anyway.

Well duh, we start a world of shit when fucked with.

We have all been born into captivity. If our hijacked government isn't stopped soon, there will be no place in the world that will be safe from this tyranny.

We are indoctrinated into it. I have applied may status with respect to the system ( beast) many times. So far I am being left alone.

 

[daviddee]

...

 

[MelissaWV]

I don't think it's spectacularly free as a nation, but I do think we have a lot of space, and from personal experience there are areas where you can pretty much do whatever and still live like in the "good ole days" or whatever. Those spaces are getting fewer and fewer, but honestly I'm not sure what my alternatives would be. It's not about picking the freest nation for me. It's about picking the freest lifestyle that also allows me to care for family and friends, and that's not going to be accomplished by disappearing someplace else.

Everyone's situation is different.

 

[VIDEODROME]

I live in Michigan and often consider making a run for Manitoba or Ontario in Canada.

Yeah they're more socialist, but what if I actually get a service for my Tax money instead of it all going to to Military or just disappearing? If I achieved some prosperity, I would consider sending money back to Liberty groups in America.

I also hope Canada will be more like England's parliament was regarding Syria and stop being a military Sidekick to America. Or at least only go for truly humanitarian aid.

 

[mtr1979]

I've considered it then a couple of minutes later I ask myself: where is there to go? And even if there is such a place I lack the wealth, language skills, and human capital to gain entry.

 

[MRK]

Considered, sure.

Will I give it up? Hell no. I may disagree with the US government but they're the ones who should stop being Americans.

 

[MRK]

I've considered it then a couple of minutes later I ask myself: where is there to go? And even if there is such a place I lack the wealth, language skills, and human capital to gain entry.

If you speak English and have a pulse you can get a job in many places. If you want to hit the ground running in another country you can become an English teacher and then search for another job while you're there. Most places in Asia have continuous demand for English teachers where you start out being paid 10x higher than the average local wage.

This doesn't even include other jobs which you are more qualified for than a local as well.

 

[LibForestPaul]

I would not say I was pondering "free" states. Only states that do not hate its own citizenary. i.e. nationaliztic states. New Zealand and Switzerland comes to mind. If 1/2 of my labor is to be stolen, I would rather it be spent on my kind rather than given away to domestic and foreign cronies with no service provided to my self. But as AF stated, they do not want you.

 

[MRK]

I would not say I was pondering "free" states. Only states that do not hate its own citizenary. i.e. nationaliztic states. New Zealand and Switzerland comes to mind. If 1/2 of my labor is to be stolen, I would rather it be spent on my kind rather than given away to domestic and foreign cronies with no service provided to my self. But as AF stated, they do not want you.

Actually if you are under 30 you can get a near-automatic work visa for New Zealand and extend it indefinitely until you get citizenship.

In Switzerland you can get near-automatic residency if you are an EU citizen.

In other cases, yes your best option is for an employer to get you a work permit.

 

[gwax23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_of_the_World_Index

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[TR]
[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Country[/TH]
[TH]Summary
index[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD] Hong Kong[/TD]
[TD]8.90[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD]8.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD] New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]8.36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Switzerland[/TD]
[TD]8.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Australia[/TD]
[TD]7.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Canada[/TD]
[TD]7.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Bahrain[/TD]
[TD]7.94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Mauritius[/TD]
[TD]7.90[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Finland[/TD]
[TD]7.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Chile[/TD]
[TD]7.84[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]United Arab Emirates[/TD]
[TD]7.83[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Ireland[/TD]
[TD]7.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]7.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Estonia[/TD]
[TD]7.74[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Taiwan[/TD]
[TD]7.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Denmark[/TD]
[TD]7.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Qatar[/TD]
[TD]7.70[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]

United States[/TD]
[TD]7.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

This list is telling. We dont have a good rank but even the rank we got I think is inflated and others deflated.

 

[mtr1979]

Actually if you are under 30 you can get a near-automatic work visa for New Zealand and extend it indefinitely until you get citizenship.

In Switzerland you can get near-automatic residency if you are an EU citizen.

In other cases, yes your best option is for an employer to get you a work permit.

I always hear how New Zealand is the place to be. I don't know I've never been there, but from my limited amount of research it seems like record numbers of Kiwis are moving to Australia.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/record-number-kiwis-leaving-australia-5331117

 

[Christian Liberty]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ave_considered_quitting_their_u_s_citizenship

Someone asked me that in world politics last week. Their reasoning "You obviously don't support anything this country stands for, so why don't you give up your citizenship?"

My question: What would I possibly gain from doing so? I couldn't swear my loyalty to any country, and despite the fact that I'm a citizen by birth, I never swore my loyalty to the US either (Unless you count the pledges of allegiance that I now regret participating in, in which case, I sinned and lied). As for being a citizen of nowhere, that might be nice in an ideal world, but in the real world, where States do in fact rule whether we like it or not...

 

[MRK]

Someone asked me that in world politics last week. Their reasoning "You obviously don't support anything this country stands for, so why don't you give up your citizenship?"

My question: What would I possibly gain from doing so? I couldn't swear my loyalty to any country, and despite the fact that I'm a citizen by birth, I never swore my loyalty to the US either (Unless you count the pledges of allegiance that I now regret participating in, in which case, I sinned and lied). As for being a citizen of nowhere, that might be nice in an ideal world, but in the real world, where States do in fact rule whether we like it or not...

If you are a US citizen the US requires that you pay income taxes even if you live outside the country (although the first 100k + housing costs are exempt). The US, Hungary and Eritrea are the only countries that do this.

Therefore, US citizenship is a worldwide slavery albatross.

 

[Mani]

The top 5 on this list I would consider.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_of_the_World_Index

[TABLE="class: wikitable sortable"]
[TR]
[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Country[/TH]
[TH]Summary
index[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD] Hong Kong[/TD]
[TD]8.90[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD]8.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD] New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]8.36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Switzerland[/TD]
[TD]8.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Australia[/TD]
[TD]7.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Canada[/TD]
[TD]7.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Bahrain[/TD]
[TD]7.94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Mauritius[/TD]
[TD]7.90[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Finland[/TD]
[TD]7.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Chile[/TD]
[TD]7.84[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]United Arab Emirates[/TD]
[TD]7.83[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Ireland[/TD]
[TD]7.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]7.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Estonia[/TD]
[TD]7.74[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Taiwan[/TD]
[TD]7.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Denmark[/TD]
[TD]7.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Qatar[/TD]
[TD]7.70[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]

United States[/TD]
[TD]7.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[krugminator]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Freedom_of_the_World_Index

[TABLE="class: wikitable sortable"]
[TR]
[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Country[/TH]
[TH]Summary
index[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD] Hong Kong[/TD]
[TD]8.90[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD]8.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD] New Zealand[/TD]
[TD]8.36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]Switzerland[/TD]
[TD]8.24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Australia[/TD]
[TD]7.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]Canada[/TD]
[TD]7.97[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]Bahrain[/TD]
[TD]7.94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8[/TD]
[TD]Mauritius[/TD]
[TD]7.90[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]Finland[/TD]
[TD]7.88[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]Chile[/TD]
[TD]7.84[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]United Arab Emirates[/TD]
[TD]7.83[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]Ireland[/TD]
[TD]7.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]7.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]Estonia[/TD]
[TD]7.74[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]Taiwan[/TD]
[TD]7.72[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]Denmark[/TD]
[TD]7.71[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]Qatar[/TD]
[TD]7.70[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]

United States[/TD]
[TD]7.69[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

It is not like it is easy to immigrate a lot or even most of those countries. Canada is even difficult to immigrate to. I would only renounce citizenship for tax reasons if meant going to a country with zero capital gains rate. Most of those countries are also considerably less free outside of economics.