40% of US Women Have ABORTIONS!

[PierzStyx]

Abstinence doesn't work and in states where they teach it to kids in sex education they have the highest rate of teen pregnancies.

A lot of liberals say this but I have never seen any proof. In fact from all the numbers I've seen the highest numbers for pregnancies out of wedlock come from the highest populated liberal states of New York and California. Neither of those places are "abstinence only" places for sex education. The reality is that school ran sex education of any stripe doesn't work. And the idea that the government should interfere in it, whether teaching abstinence only or not, is a liberal idea, as Dr. Paul pointed out the Frothy.

 

[Carson]

An old beef;


Back in the 60’s the Federal Government came into the public schools and brainwashed us as little children with the message that the children we were about to have were unwanted because the population was rising so fast. They said the resources would be stressed. They launched a program called, “Zero Population Growth”. They pushed Family Planning and birth control pills. I think you and I now both know that you only have to trick people for their few child bearing years and there is no going back.

Many of us never had a say in the future of our unborn.

I am the result of two living cells. One from each of my parents. They are the result of two living cells, one from each of their parents. I wasn't just born. I am a continuation of life. I am a living thing that reaches back into time perhaps 400 million years and the result of billions of joining of pairs of cells. It is possible that if you were to follow my cells back to my parent’s cells and beyond that my family tree touches every living thing here on earth. That is if we limit ourselves to believing life was created here on earth. If it rained down from the immensity of the universe it could reach back into that immensity of time and space, and who knows what relationships and who knows what species.

My family line succeeded, at least until I came up against the Federal Government and their plan to control the population.

I have seen the Federal Government do little else to control the population.

The open border, United States laws only apply to some, is a serious slap in the face. No, not a slap in the face, it reaches well beyond that. Maybe back to the beginning of time and stretch to the bounds of the universe.



Abortions allow irresponsible people to continue to live irresponsibly.

-Someone on Fark.com

 

[PierzStyx]

If you didn't know. I believe abortion should be banned, without question. I'm someone that had one of my children aborted, against my will. Just because a woman has a vagina, and they carry the child, they feel entitled to overrule a man's concerns/feelings on the subject.

Women can simply quit having sex, period.

That's horrible man. I'm sorry. Your child lost its life, and you lost a part of yours. That is horrible. That so many liberals don't see how disgusting and wrong it is to do something like that is chilling.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

A lot of liberals say this but I have never seen any proof. In fact from all the numbers I've seen the highest numbers for pregnancies out of wedlock come from the highest populated liberal states of New York and California. Neither of those places are "abstinence only" places for sex education. The reality is that school ran sex education of any stripe doesn't work. And the idea that the government should interfere in it, whether teaching abstinence only or not, is a liberal idea, as Dr. Paul pointed out the Frothy.

States ranked by rates of pregnancy among women age 15-19 (pregnancies per thousand):

Nevada (113)
Arizona (104)
Mississippi (103)
New Mexico (103)
Texas (101)
Florida (97)
California (96)
Georgia (95)
North Carolina (95)
Arkansas (93)
States ranked by rates of live births among women age 15-19 (births per thousand):

Mississippi (71)
Texas (69)
Arizona (67)
Arkansas (66)
New Mexico (66)
Georgia (63)
Louisiana (62)
Nevada (61)
Alabama (61)

States in the south that teach abstinence only have the highest rate of teenage pregnancies and pregnancies out of wedlock. Face it. Kids need to be taught all the negative things about having a child out of wedlock and having a child while still a teenager while at the same time learning that if they do have sex they should use contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Abstinence doesn't work (just ask Catholic priests).

 

[Yieu]

Unwanted Pregnancies??
Unplanned?

Lo, children are a heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Planned Parenthood?
Who ever told you it was your decision?

Darn... I used my rep on an earlier post of yours in this thread, but this one deserves it more.

 

[craezie]

On the other hand, those who would outlaw abortion need to explain exactly what they intend to do with millions of unwanted children. There aren't enough willing adoptive parents by at least a factor of ten. So, massive Federal orphanage-building program? Or what?

You would be surprised. The amount of pent-up demand to adopt infants is huge -- the "supply" could easily triple and be met with adoptive parents. Infertility is increasing, and the amount of adoptable infants is decreasing. International adoption has been popular in the past, as it was a source of more orphaned infants that could be adopted with a relatively simple process. As UNICEF and other organizations have worked hard to shut down international adoption, Americans are being waitlisted up to 3 years to adopt infants from the few countries that are left. Most of these babies are black or asian, so the classic arguments that we only want healthy white babies are outdated.

Make adoption law simpler, and I believe it would take care of a lot of the unwanted pregnancies. Adoption law in this country is just as convoluted and screwed up as almost every other law.

 

[Mckarnin]

Abstinence and abstinence education are two different things. Abstinence does work. Obviously we have a culture that does not prize and instill self control or respect and encourage chastity so abstinence education is way too late to the game to make a difference.

"Hey Billy, you can have whatever you want, you can be whatever you want, follow your dreams, you can go to college even if you're not a great student, masturbation is a healthy way to explore yourself whenever you want, here is the ipod I bought you even though you do next to no chores and sass me and your mom, check out that chick's ass, only 5 hours of video games tonight, be home by 2am (call me for a ride if you are plastered or high *wink-wink*), for your 16th birthday we bought you a car...oh and btw, you have to restrain yourself in the face of the overwhelming sexual urges you are getting and have absolutely no sex. Yes, I know it's kind of the first time we've asked you for anything like real self control but we hope you'll make us proud."

 

[Mckarnin]

I've lived in some of those states and would be interested to know how many of those pregnancies were out of wedlock or a steady relationship. Not saying it's the best idea but in my experience you get a lot more people going steady and getting married between 16 and 20 in the south than you do up north so many of those extra pregnancies could be explained by people being more accepting of becoming a mother and getting married young.

States ranked by rates of pregnancy among women age 15-19 (pregnancies per thousand):

Nevada (113)
Arizona (104)
Mississippi (103)
New Mexico (103)
Texas (101)
Florida (97)
California (96)
Georgia (95)
North Carolina (95)
Arkansas (93)
States ranked by rates of live births among women age 15-19 (births per thousand):

Mississippi (71)
Texas (69)
Arizona (67)
Arkansas (66)
New Mexico (66)
Georgia (63)
Louisiana (62)
Nevada (61)
Alabama (61)

States in the south that teach abstinence only have the highest rate of teenage pregnancies and pregnancies out of wedlock. Face it. Kids need to be taught all the negative things about having a child out of wedlock and having a child while still a teenager while at the same time learning that if they do have sex they should use contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Abstinence doesn't work (just ask Catholic priests).

 

[ssjevot]

There is a reason these unwanted pregnancies are so high in America and so low in Europe and it's because they're actually taught to be responsible in Europe and taught about birth control and have easy access to it instead of living in a fantasy world where people don't have sex. The highly religious have sex outside of wedlock as well, but they're more likely to end up pregnant because they don't know and don't have access to birth control. If people really cared about abortions they'd attack the source and prevent unwanted pregnancies through more education and easier access to birth control.

And yes even most of the people getting abortions are religious, so these unwanted pregnancies lead to abortion with the religious people who are being taught abstinence only education as well.

http://au.christiantoday.com/articl...fore-marriage-study-almost-everyone/12113.htm

 

[Jonathanm]

I haven't looked up any statistics, but what are the chances of getting pregnant if the woman is using birth control, and the male is using condoms?

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

abortion often takes more than the life of the child, I knew a guy that was haunted by the decision his entire life

 

[pcosmar]

abortion often takes more than the life of the child, I knew a guy that was haunted by the decision his entire life

You probably know several.

 

[craezie]

There is a reason these unwanted pregnancies are so high in America and so low in Europe and it's because they're actually taught to be responsible in Europe and taught about birth control and have easy access to it instead of living in a fantasy world where people don't have sex. The highly religious have sex outside of wedlock as well, but they're more likely to end up pregnant because they don't know and don't have access to birth control. If people really cared about abortions they'd attack the source and prevent unwanted pregnancies through more education and easier access to birth control.

And yes even most of the people getting abortions are religious, so these unwanted pregnancies lead to abortion with the religious people who are being taught abstinence only education as well.

http://au.christiantoday.com/articl...fore-marriage-study-almost-everyone/12113.htm

Every time anything about birth control comes up, it always turns into a "blame the Christians" fest. The reason that abortion is so much more prevalent in the U.S. than in Europe is that a media campaign by Planned Parenthood and others as well as liberal political rhetoric has made it a socially acceptable choice.

The idea that birth control is not readily and cheaply available here is absurd. Anyone can walk into almost any store and get a pack of condoms right now for less than 5 bucks right now that will be 99% effective in preventing pregnancy at least 12 times. Alternatively, many stores such as Target and Walmart now have $4 generic prescription programs, which INCLUDE birth control pills. You can get a prescription from almost ANY doctor, including the guy in the back of the Walgreens. Sure, the cadillac forms of birth control like IUDs and implants cost a lot of money, but the funny thing is that a lot of those forms aren't even available to a lot of people in those countries that have so many less abortions.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The open border, United States laws only apply to some, is a serious slap in the face. No, not a slap in the face, it reaches well beyond that. Maybe back to the beginning of time and stretch to the bounds of the universe.

The Transcendental Slap.

That's epic.

 

[presence]

If you didn't know. I believe abortion should be banned, without question.

Women can simply quit having sex, period.

My apologies... I completely misinterpreted your original comment. I thought you were implying it was no one's business what another woman chooses to do with her baby on board.

 

[MelissaWV]

Women can simply quit having sex, period.

And the men can continue... but not with women.

Are you advocating homosexuality? Or just being hypocritical?

 

[pcosmar]

And the men can continue... but not with women.

Are you advocating homosexuality? Or just being hypocritical?

Can't speak for the previous poster. (And yes,, there is some hypocrisy with some)
But a few years after my child was killed by an abortion I made the decision to not have children.

I married a woman that can not have children.. Some chose a surgical option, some abstinence.
There are choices available.

 

[MelissaWV]

Can't speak for the previous poster. (And yes,, there is some hypocrisy with some)
But a few years after my child was killed by an abortion I made the decision to not have children.

I married a woman that can not have children.. Some chose a surgical option, some abstinence.
There are choices available.

I absolutely agree with you, but his assertion was that women should stop having sex. The flaw in that logic is that, if women don't have sex anymore, neither will men, unless... you know...

I will not be having children, myself, though I might adopt an older kid somewhere down the line (no one likes adopting the older ones ).

 

[Roxi]

It doesn't really matter if people believe it or not. Fact is over a million babies a year are murdered. Somewhere around 40% of women who get an abortion have more than one.

This is sick!

http://www.abort73.com/

 

[pcosmar]

I absolutely agree with you, but his assertion was that women should stop having sex. The flaw in that logic is that, if women don't have sex anymore, neither will men, unless... you know...

I will not be having children, myself, though I might adopt an older kid somewhere down the line (no one likes adopting the older ones ).

I haven't adopted,, but I have been adopted by a few. (as Grandpa)