3 women missing for decade found in Cleveland home

[jtap]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...tened-to-kill-her-if-amanda-berrys-baby-died/

Michelle Knight, one of three women Ariel Castro is accused of holding captive for almost a decade in his Cleveland house, has told investigators that Castro forced her to deliver a baby born to one of the other women, and he warned her if the baby were to die, he would kill her.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/09/cleveland-ariel-castro-amanda-berry-arraignment-kidnap-rape/2146289/


I'm really stuck on the Michele Knight story for some inexplicable reason. The state took her first baby, then didn't bother to search for her while this madman repeatedly alternated between impregnating her and beating her into aborting.

And here they are - the heros.

That's like some weird new version of stockholm syndrome. Cleveland syndrome: having positive feelings for terrible law enforcement aiding their captors.

 

[Lucille]

WTF...

This is probably nothing. But why would the flag in front of the Cleveland house change from a Puerto Rican Flag to an American Flag (or perhaps it is covered up by an American Flag)? And who would do this?


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[fr33]

WTF...

I read the other day that it had a different flag on each side.

 

[dannno]

I read the other day that it had a different flag on each side.

That doesn't exactly clear things up from the photos. Even if the flag were to flap around the poll, it should still have the same flag facing the same direction.

 

[jtap]

WTF...

His comments on that video has an update that says it was two flags side by side (I guess on the same pole). People are saying that via google maps from the other direction it shows an american flag. I looked myself and it seems to be the case.



https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2206...=h&z=17&vpsrc=0&panoid=hSo9HclvLnS8u5nTTWRDeQ


https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2206...=h&z=17&vpsrc=0&panoid=SPaWhQNhAT7LZLhD2Lfo4w

 

[kcchiefs6465]

His comments on that video has an update that says it was two flags side by side (I guess on the same pole). People are saying that via google maps from the other direction it shows an american flag. I looked myself and it seems to be the case.



https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2206...=h&z=17&vpsrc=0&panoid=hSo9HclvLnS8u5nTTWRDeQ


https://maps.google.com/maps?q=2206...=h&z=17&vpsrc=0&panoid=SPaWhQNhAT7LZLhD2Lfo4w

That is creepy.

 

[Lucille]

Neighborhood Man Saves Kidnapped, Captive Women, Police Fight War on Drugs
http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/09/neighborhood-man-saves-kidnapped-captive

...USA Today reports that several neighbors said they called police about the Castro home, the windows of which were covered with plastic, several times; including once after a girl said she saw a naked woman on her hands and knees in the backyard and another after someone heard banging at the doors from inside the home. Police acknowledge coming to the home twice, but the police chief says he’s “absolutely sure” police did everything they could to find the women.

Faced with an $8 million deficit at the start of this year, the mayor of Cleveland warned budget cuts would eliminate the narcotics unit. What’s that unit done in the last few years? They found a warehouse full of marijuana plants last November and in June an FBI-coordinated drug raid involved 350 law enforcement officials and 70 arrests. There was a bust of a prescription drug ring last March. Cleveland police made their biggest drug bust in history in February 2009, seizing 3000 pounds of marijuana and $386,000 in cash and making 8 arrests. They seized 700 pounds the February before that and in 2007 busted a six-year veteran of the police department trafficking cocaine from Mexico.

At the crux of the drug war is the victimless crime of narcotics possession and use (and the sales that make that voluntary possession and use possible, tied to which are the weapons needed because of the business’ illegal status). Billions have been spent on law enforcement around the country to combat an essentially private, voluntary choice. Alternet ran a piece this morning explaining some of the perverse benefits for police to going after drug crimes instead of kidnapping, rape and slavery. The rescue of three women by a passer-by from a home police had been alerted to multiple times (and which was apparently occupied by the father of one of the girl’s self-described “best friends”), coupled with incidents like the suspected Boston bomber being spotted not by a massive manhunt but by a homeowner having a cigarette in his backyard and the thwarting of the Times Square bombing not by the heavily-armed but stationary police officers in the area but by local vendors going about their business suggests it’s not money or even manpower but good, alert police work that can solve and stop crimes. Instead, fueled by the militarization of police and the war on drugs, the beat cop’s disappearing while the war on what goes in your body continues, violently.

 

[angelatc]

WTF...

Different posts. Look at the stain on the side. One is the Puerto Rican flag, one is the US flag. (duh)

Nope, that wasn't it. Not a clue. But when you look at this picture you can see the edges of the PR flag under and alongside the US flag.

 

[Lucille]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/137371.html

...Imagine if the Cleveland PD didn’t exist and the victims’ families had hired investigators whose livelihoods depend on finding missing people and things. How speedily would the three families have been reunited with their daughters? Ridding ourselves of badged leeches is not only one of the best services we can render liberty, it would also protect and rescue criminals’ prey.

While we’re at it, imagine if any of the girls had carried a pistol – a routine idea in earlier decades that now horrifies lily-livered Americans. The modern antipathy towards self-defense kept those girls chained in that house as surely as Ariel Castro did.

 

[scottditzen]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/137371.html

^ This is a bit silly. Nothing prevented the families from hiring private detectives. And while I'll gladly criticize Cleveland PD any time they deserve it, I think downtown Cleveland is a very safe place and I'll give some of the credit to the police.

As for the gun issue, my guess is that neither of the girls had the presence of mind that is required to carry a gun. Lets face it, not everyone is suitable to be carrying a firearm. It would've been far more valuable if they had the street sense to avoid Ariel Castro to begin with.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

^ This is a bit silly. Nothing prevented the families from hiring private detectives. And while I'll gladly criticize Cleveland PD any time they deserve it, I think downtown Cleveland is a very safe place and I'll give some of the credit to the police.

As for the gun issue, my guess is that neither of the girls had the presence of mind that is required to carry a gun. Lets face it, not everyone is suitable to be carrying a firearm. It would've been far more valuable if they had the street sense to avoid Ariel Castro to begin with.

Wasn't he their bus driver? I haven't been following this too much but that seems a little harsh.

 

[scottditzen]

Wasn't he their bus driver? I haven't been following this too much but that seems a little harsh.

My point is simply that having a gun, in contrast to what is suggested on the Rockwell site, would've likely had no bearing on the situation.

 

[Lucille]

^ This is a bit silly. Nothing prevented the families from hiring private detectives. And while I'll gladly criticize Cleveland PD any time they deserve it, I think downtown Cleveland is a very safe place and I'll give some of the credit to the police.

As for the gun issue, my guess is that neither of the girls had the presence of mind that is required to carry a gun. Lets face it, not everyone is suitable to be carrying a firearm. It would've been far more valuable if they had the street sense to avoid Ariel Castro to begin with.

 

[scottditzen]

Classy reply lol.

 

[Tod]

flag holder meant for a larger flag pole, so it was capable of holding two of the smaller flags. Pic shows two flags stuck in the same holder.


Is that man in the video the father of Julie Borowski?

 

[dannno]

My point is simply that having a gun, in contrast to what is suggested on the Rockwell site, would've likely had no bearing on the situation.

They were addressing your point that you thought she had bad sense and she should have avoided her bus driver.

 

[V3n]

They ought to tag 5 counts of murder to this dickbag!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...or-terminated-pregnancies-in-kidnap-case?lite

Prosecutor will seek murder charges for terminated pregnancies in kidnap case

An Ohio prosecutor vowed Thursday to pursue murder charges against the Cleveland kidnapping suspect for terminating the pregnancies of the women he is accused of holding captive for a decade.

The prosecutor, Timothy McGinty of Cuyahoga County, also said that he would consider seeking the death penalty.

I'm glad someone's finally starting to listen to me! I know I'm generally anti-death-penalty; but I wouldn't have a hard time looking-the-other-way for this POS.

 

[V3n]

Michelle Knight, longest-held captive in Ohio hell house, released from hospital

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nation...V8lqkt5FO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=National

Now get this...

Meanwhile, Knight was removed from the FBI's missing persons' database just 15 months after her disappearance, according to a new report.

Cleveland spokeswoman Maureen Harper claimed the cops did the right thing by taking Knight's name off the list in November 2003, The Cleveland Plain-Dealer reported.

Harper said cops were unable to contact Michelle's mother Barbara to verify her daughter was still missing.

However, the paper reports that decision conflicts with the department's written policy, where an officer must confirm a missing person has been found and then contact the FBI within two hours before the name is removed.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

The suspect in the ghastly abduction of three Cleveland women wrote a suicide note in which he confessed his crimes, yet blamed the victims for being kidnapped, according to reports in CBS News and Cleveland TV station WOIO.

Cleveland police have yet to confirm the existence of this document. However, WOIO investigative reporter Scott Taylor says he has seen the handwritten note.

"I am a sexual predator," Ariel Castro allegedly wrote in a 2004 letter police found in his dingy home. "I need help."

Castro claimed that his parents abused him and that his uncle raped him as a child, according to CBS News.

Taylor tweeted additional excerpts from the accused rapist and kidnapper's admission that he held the women now in their 20s and 30s as captives for roughly 10 years.

Upon his death, Castro wrote, all of his money should be distributed to the victims.

On Wednesday, officials from the Cleveland police department said they'd removed more than 200 items from the white clapboard house where Castro bound the women in isolation and rarely permitted them outdoors. A 6-year-old girl, who's the daughter of one of the victims, was also rescued from the house of horrors on Monday.

Castro had also waived his Miranda rights and answered questions put to him by police, Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said at the evening press conference.

In his first court appearance on Thursday morning since his arrest earlier this week, Castro was arraigned on charges of rape and kidnapping. Bond was set at $2 million on each case, the Associated Press said.

hxxp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/09/ariel-castro-suicide-note_n_3244514.html

 

[Warlord]

Death Penalty Please