3 Electoral College members may pass on GOP ticket

[Jordan Liberty]

Well, sorry to say, but those electors will soon lose their positions...

 

[TheGrinch]

Understandable, but I think there are some who act without consideration of future consequences. Hypothetically, if this occurs and there is outrage from the average voter over it and we lose Rand, Davis, Massie, Amash, Bentivolio, etc because the GOP aggressively primaries every single one of our guys in 14 & 16, was it worth it?

Hypothetically, if this occurs it will raise questions from a populace that is already fed up, but doesn't yet completely understand the answer.

We can handle the spin machine. People here have been doing it for years now.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Hypothetically, if this occurs it will raise questions from a populace that is already fed up, but doesn't yet completely understand the answer.

We can handle the spin machine. People here have been doing it for years now.

I tend to look at things in a risk vs reward way. I see the risk (in a worst case scenario) being that the term "Ron Paul supporter" becomes a "Scarlet Letter" for elected officials and candidates costing us seats in Congress and in the State legislatures.

I'm not sure if I see what the potential reward is though.

Again this is assuming the hypothetical situation where the faithless electors throw the election to Congress and we end up with Romney/Biden as the article suggests.

 

[Jordan Liberty]

So after getting railroaded at the convention, learning that the piece of shit Reince Priebus (and probably other establishment cronies) read the Daily Paul and most likely this site as well, and these electors decide to speak their intentions while giving their full names and the state they represent? I'm all for sticking it to the GOP, and I love the idea of seeing some electoral votes go to Ron Paul, but blabbing it to the media is not gonna help.

 

[TheGrinch]

I tend to look at things in a risk vs reward way. I see the risk (in a worst case scenario) being that the term "Ron Paul supporter" becomes a "Scarlet Letter" for elected officials and candidates costing us seats in Congress and in the State legislatures.

I'm not sure if I see what the potential reward is though.

Again this is assuming the hypothetical situation where the faithless electors throw the election to Congress and we end up with Romney/Biden as the article suggests.

Look, I'm normally one of the more pragmatic ones here myself, with regard to Rand, initially treading carefully about a 3rd party run, etc., but there becomes a point where you have so much shit thrown at you that you just have to say "DON'T TREAD ON ME!"

Anyways, it's not yours or my call. These folks have spent countless hours and lots of money, and so if they feel that enough is enough and they need to have their voices heard about all of the cheating, then I support them 100%.

BTW, there is always reward in standing up for what is right, and against those who have reatly wronged you. We can handle and combat the negative PR, jsut the same as the newsletters.... Hell, given the wya they want to jsut pretend we don't exist, they probably won't even want to report it unless it does in fact create a spectacle. If it does, then we will be ready and waiting to put into proper perspective what really took place. The truth is on our side, and they can't prove lies.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Look, I'm normally one of the more pragmatic ones here myself, with regard to Rand, initially treading carefully about a 3rd party run, etc., but there becomes a point where you have so much shit thrown at you that you just have to say "DON'T TREAD ON ME!"

Anyways, it's not yours or my call. These folks have spent countless hours and lots of money, and so if they feel that enough is enough and they need to have their voices heard about all of the cheating, then I support them 100%.

BTW, there is always reward in standing up for what is right, and against those who have reatly wronged you. We can handle and combat the negative PR, jsut the same as the newsletters.... Hell, given the wya they want to jsut pretend we don't exist, they probably won't even want to report it unless it does in fact create a spectacle. If it does, then we will be ready and waiting to put into proper perspective what really took place. The truth is on our side, and they can't prove lies.

Well we are both observers, so it will be interesting to see if it all plays out. My guess though is that nothing will happen, but it is interesting to talk about nonetheless.

 

[supermario21]

If Obama is winning by a landslide then I say do it (vote for Ron). We need to send a message to the establishment that in the case of a Romney defeat, we are able to seize the party from the forces of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Ingraham. However, as long as nobody has 270, the Republicans would win anyways because of having a majority of house delegates for each state. Assuming we'd win anyways, it probably wouldn't be as much of a political grenade as some think.

 

[jmdrake]

This is all for not. Rmoney's not going to win anyway.

Yeah. But say if the Ron Paul electors in democratic states denied Obama a straight up win as well?

 

[TheTexan]

Understandable, but I think there are some who act without consideration of future consequences. Hypothetically, if this occurs and there is outrage from the average voter over it and we lose Rand, Davis, Massie, Amash, Bentivolio, etc because the GOP aggressively primaries every single one of our guys in 14 & 16, was it worth it?

We tried getting their respect by being nice, playing by their rules, and being very respectful to them. In return they spat in our face and treated us like shit. It's virtually impossible to make any kind of "progress" when there is such blatant disrespect for us, and their every action is telling us to fuck off.

Costing them the election isn't just about pissing in their cheerios. Though that's certainly a bonus. It tells the Republican Party that they can either learn to treat us with respect, or lose every single election from this point forward.

It's also an educational opportunity. Many people only really pay attention to someone else's opposing ideas after the person stands up for himself.

Additionally, as a long term strategy, if the Republican party continues to disrespect us and not want us in their party, but we guarantee their loss in every presidential election this point forward, guess what will happen? People will start to leave the Republican party, and some of these people will come to our side. Congratulations, we just broke the two party system.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

And what if their state has a law stating that electors should adhere to the results of the popular vote? Would you support those electors who wish to vote their own preference instead of what the voters of the state chose?

Yes. Obviously! What are you talking about? I will tell you what you are talking about and exactly where you are coming from, CaptLou:

1: You are old
2: You are GOP
3: You are stuck in the old conventional mainstream mode of thought non-thought
4: You have far more respect for "the law" than it deserves. "The law" deserves your contempt, your hatred, and your revulsion. It deserves absolutely no respect.
5: You put far too much priority on not upsetting the apple carts of those stuck in the evil and stupid conventional mainstream mode.
6: None of the above will change, because you are old, you are GOP, and you are stuck in your ways (see 1-3).

All the Ron Paul electors should vote their conscience. what's more, I believe they actually will!! It will be fantastic. Let the mainstream maggots squirm.

 

[torchbearer]

We tried getting their respect by being nice, playing by their rules, and being very respectful to them. In return they spat in our face and treated us like shit. It's virtually impossible to make any kind of "progress" when there is such blatant disrespect for us, and their every action is telling us to fuck off.

Costing them the election isn't just about pissing in their cheerios. Though that's certainly a bonus. It tells the Republican Party that they can either learn to treat us with respect, or lose every single election from this point forward.

It's also an educational opportunity. Many people only really pay attention to someone else's opposing ideas after the person stands up for himself.

Additionally, as a long term strategy, if the Republican party continues to disrespect us and not want us in their party, but we guarantee their loss in every presidential election this point forward, guess what will happen? People will start to leave the Republican party, and some of these people will come to our side. Congratulations, we just broke the two party system.

#winning

 

[TheTexan]

there becomes a point where you have so much shit thrown at you that you just have to say "DON'T TREAD ON ME!"

there is always reward in standing up for what is right, and against those who have reatly wronged you.

Precisely correct +rep

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Yes. Obviously! What are you talking about? I will tell you what you are talking about and exactly where you are coming from, CaptLou:

1: You are old
2: You are GOP
3: You are stuck in the old conventional mainstream mode of thought non-thought
4: You have far more respect for "the law" than it deserves. "The law" deserves your contempt, your hatred, and your revulsion. It deserves absolutely no respect.
5: You put far too much priority on not upsetting the apple carts of those stuck in the evil and stupid conventional mainstream mode.
6: None of the above will change, because you are old, you are GOP, and you are stuck in your ways (see 1-3).

All the Ron Paul electors should vote their conscience. what's more, I believe they actually will!! It will be fantastic. Let the mainstream maggots squirm.

So you (not you particuarly) cry when voters are disenfranchised, but then again wish to do the same when it benefits your agenda? Does not make much sense to me. And yes, I respect the law, especially when that law was held up as Constitutional. We are a nation of laws, and respect for the law is one of the principles of conservatism.

 

[affa]

It could also wind up causing major rifts in the future which will alienate any candidate remotely connected to Ron Paul.

You know, you're right. And Ron Paul supporters should never have voted, or publicly supported, Paul because it might have created rifts. They certainly should never have voted in Paul delegates to the RNC. And why didn't they take their getting cheated lying down? Complaining about RNC shenanigans only furthers the rift between us and the GOP.

In fact, the more I think about it, Ron Paul probably should never have even run in 2012, let alone 2008, because of potential rifts he might create in the party. It would be much better if we all just give up on our principles of peace, sound money, and civil liberty and adopt the party platform of war, debt, and police state in an effort to truly unify the GOP.

That's the ticket.

This is all for not. Rmoney's not going to win anyway.

just for future reference, and not because i'm trying to be grammar police - but the phrase you're looking for is 'all for naught'.

 

[torchbearer]

So you (not you particuarly) cry when voters are disenfranchised,

are you talking about elected delegates being removed by party bosses?
are you talking about rewriting the rules after the fact to change the outcome?
or are you talking about respecting a delegates right to vote how he/she feels?

 

[KevinYeaux]

They brought this upon themselves and neocons don't want to build bridges, they love to tear them down (and then profit of course).

The leaders that practically hate us are different than the regular Republican primary voters. Most of them, believe it or not, actually like Ron Paul, even if they didn't necessarily want him as their presidential nominee.

They are the ones we need to build bridges with. They want Romney-Ryan to win. Doesn't mean we have to support Romney-Ryan by any means, but stunts (and make no mistake, being a faithless elector would simply be a stupid stunt) like this will poison the Paul and libertarian wing of the party with these normal voters. And that will make electing libertarian candidates so much more difficult in the future.

 

[TheGrinch]

So you (not you particuarly) cry when voters are disenfranchised, but then again wish to do the same when it benefits your agenda? Does not make much sense to me. And yes, I respect the law, especially when that law was held up as Constitutional. We are a nation of laws, and respect for the law is one of the principles of conservatism.

So respecting the law is bowing down to those who break it and rewrite it when it suits them? Ummm, okay....

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

are you talking about elected delegates being removed by party bosses?
are you talking about rewriting the rules after the fact to change the outcome?
or are you talking about respecting a delegates right to vote how he/she feels?

I am speaking of those that support electors breaking a state law and voting how they wish. I think the issues with RNC delegates came about predominantly because there was so much open chit chat of delegates causing some sort of commotion, or voting against their state binding that the Romney campaign did whatever they could to suppress the amount of Paul delegates. If people would have kept their mouths shut and just planned what they wanted to quietly, I don't think we would have lost so many delegates.

 

[Unknownuser]

And what if their state has a law stating that electors should adhere to the results of the popular vote? Would you support those electors who wish to vote their own preference instead of what the voters of the state chose?

What if the popular vote was really RP but the election was rigged against him. I'm thinking of Iowa.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

So respecting the law is bowing down to those who break it and rewrite it when it suits them? Ummm, okay....

I am referring to the 24 states that have laws regarding electors. Party rules are far different than laws, and it was state party, and national party rules that were the issue with RNC delegates.