3 Electoral College members may pass on GOP ticket

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

mmm...sounds like a delicious prospect. This Republic is a nation of laws, not a cult of personality - left vs. right, red vs. blue, Republipukes and Tratiorcrats. Our founders envisioned these times and planned accordingly.

If the situation plays out as described in the OP, it will be interesting to see if this nation has the testicular fortitude to adhere to its founding document.

(My money's on "no," though.)

 

[kathy88]

Ok, so they stuck to their principles and perhaps created an everlasting grudge that makes it impossible for us to ever do anything within the GOP. I think if a lot of us were just sticking to our principles and didn't care about pragmatism we could all just go to our holes in the LP, constitution party or just stick to posting ancap stuff below youtube videos. I don't see the point of being the 20th person to post AWESOME! in this thread instead of having a real discussion about reality.

The reality is they didn't use vaseline and neither should we.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

when i was running for the Parish executive committee this year, i had several former members come up to me- all with the same story, 'i couldn't stand being in those meeting. those people are vipers, but i'm glad you are running so maybe that will change'
apparently, the vipers have run off every good person that has gotten elected. seems like a theme for the party bosses- don't ya think?

It is a thankless job for sure. While it does not take a lot of time out of one's life, it does get to be a pain after a while, which is why some people leave the post. Keep at it though, and hopefully you can connect with some other like minded people in your parish as well.

 

[torchbearer]

mmm...sounds like a delicious prospect. This Republic is a nation of laws, not a cult of personality - left vs. right, red vs. blue, Republipukes and Tratiorcrats. Our founders envisioned these times and planned accordingly.

If the situation plays out as described in the OP, it will be interesting to see if this nation has the testicular fortitude to adhere to its founding document.

(My money's on "no," though.)

I'm waiting for the party bosses just to replace the electors with their buddies.
They have plenty of practice from the RNC, nothing happened to them last time.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

The reality is they didn't use vaseline and neither should we.

And what if their state has a law stating that electors should adhere to the results of the popular vote? Would you support those electors who wish to vote their own preference instead of what the voters of the state chose?

 

[svf]

Here's an interesting overview of "faithless electors" from 1796-2000.

http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/faithless.htm

My personal favorite...

1972 - Roger L. MacBride (Republican, Virginia)

Roger L. MacBride was pledged to the Republican party of Virginia. However, in the 1972 election, MacBride did not cast his Electoral vote for Richard Nixon, the Republican Presidential candidate, but for John Hospers, the Libertarian Presidential candidate.

He also cast his Vice Presidential vote for Toni Nathan, the Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate, (making Nathan the first woman to receive an Electoral vote).

MacBride ran as the Libertarian candidate for President in the next election but did not receive any Electoral votes of his own.

 

[TheGrinch]

why do they have a grudge?

This is why I have no problem with continuing to make Romney's campaign hell like they did to Dr. Paul and all of us. I want the world to know that they cheated us.

Will they still try to spin it and blame it on us? Of course, but we have the truth and integrity on our side and even more video evidence from the convention of their scummy actions.

For example, my entire family has been upset with me since the last cycle for refusing to vote for the republican nominee, but after letting them know about all of the cheating, then they now completely understand (even though they don't like it because they hate Obama) why I will go so far as to campaign against Romney, to ensure that he can't just cheat his way into the White House.

The establishment wants to play ball, let's play...

 

[torchbearer]

And what if their state has a law stating that electors should adhere to the results of the popular vote? Would you support those electors who wish to vote their own preference instead of what the voters of the state chose?

there would be no point to have electors(Actual people) if you bind them.
just go to a pure democracy and be done with it.

 

[kathy88]

And what if their state has a law stating that electors should adhere to the results of the popular vote? Would you support those electors who wish to vote their own preference instead of what the voters of the state chose?

Most laws are retarded.

 

[dbill27]

The reality is they didn't use vaseline and neither should we.

I would find it very amusing if this happened, and I would personally love it. But at the end of the day. People are just going to look at them as very sore losers. What if Ron had won the GOP thru a brokered convention and the national delegates were romney supporters who thought it unfair, what would we say if they were going to vote romney? Just doesn't seem worth the trouble with the potential gains being nothing and the potential damage being unkown.

 

[TheGrinch]

And what if their state has a law stating that electors should adhere to the results of the popular vote? Would you support those electors who wish to vote their own preference instead of what the voters of the state chose?

Ron Paul has said that he supports nonviolent civil disobedience.

If the system is broken, then you bring it to light that it needs to be fixed. You don't jsut sit there and say "oh shucks, well we got the 5 states, but I'm sure if we get the 8 states they require next time, then there's no way they change the rules".

They write the rules and then change them when it doesn't suit them, so why should we care about following them?

 

[torchbearer]

This is why I have no problem with continuing to make Romney's campaign hell like they did to Dr. Paul and all of us. I want the world to know that they cheated us.

Will they still try to spin it and blame it on us? Of course, but we have the truth and integrity on our side and even more video evidence from the convention of their scummy actions.

For example, my entire family has been upset with me since the last cycle for refusing to vote for the republican nominee, but after letting them know about all of the cheating, then they now completely understand (even though they don't like it because they hate Obama) why I will go so far as to campaign against Romney, to ensure that he can't just cheat his way into the White House.

The establishment wants to play ball, let's play...

I tell people, the Romney campaign and RNC, removed duly elected delegates, padded the convention with people they appointed, used violence against our delegates at state conventions- changing rules whenever they worked against them. do you want these kind of people controlling our government and military?

 

[kathy88]

I would find it very amusing if this happened, and I would personally love it. But at the end of the day. People are just going to look at them as very sore losers. What if Ron had won the GOP thru a brokered convention and the national delegates were romney supporters who thought it unfair, what would we say if they were going to vote romney? Just doesn't seem worth the trouble with the potential gains being nothing and the potential damage being unkown.

I see huge potential gains. I see more and more people realizing how rigged this mofo is and further blurring the party lines. THAT helps US.

 

[dbill27]

Ron Paul has said that he supports nonviolent civil disobedience.

If the system is broken, then you bring it to light that it needs to be fixed. You don't jsut sit there and say "oh shucks, well we got the 5 states, but I'm sure if we get the 8 states they require next time, then there's no way they change the rules".

They write the rules and then change them when it doesn't suit them, so why should we care about following them?

I'm pretty sure Ron would be not in favor of this if you're going to play that angle.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

there would be no point to have electors(Actual people) if you bind them.
just go to a pure democracy and be done with it.

The way I read it the electors are there as representatives of their state, not for their own purposes. I posted above 24 states have binding laws of some sort.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I just looked it up: 24 states have laws to punish "faithless electors" and those laws have been held up by the Supreme Court since electors are acting as a functionary of the state, therefore the states have the right to govern electors. I couldn't find a list of the states that have these laws though.

Mich is one of them which is why I didn't even bother to vote for our county's elector at state last weekend. These electors should just have kept their moves to themselves instead of spreading their intentions around. Most of us here are pretty sure R-money is going down and, in turn, will be looking to point fingers. The last thing my delegate team needs going into our next state convention in Feb is furious conservatives that feel betrayed and are unwilling to work with us on changing party leadership. This move will neutralize what the RNC did to us in the minds of other grassroots conservatives. Just sayin

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Most laws are retarded.

So they should break the law if they do not agree with it? I don't think Paul would support that position if that is what you are suggesting.

 

[dbill27]

I see huge potential gains. I see more and more people realizing how rigged this mofo is and further blurring the party lines. THAT helps US.

The population is going to view the rp supporters as the ones commiting crimes against democracy not the other way around. Explain how people see votes meant for romney going to paul as the system being rigged, rigged by us maybe! If you want paul to win electorates work on a write in campaign and beat romney and obama straight up.

 

[TheGrinch]

I'm pretty sure Ron would be not in favor of this if you're going to play that angle.

Starts around 5 minutes in.

 

[TheGrinch]

The population is going to view the rp supporters as the ones commiting crimes against democracy not the other way around. Explain how people see votes meant for romney going to paul as the system being rigged, rigged by us maybe! If you want paul to win electorates work on a write in campaign and beat romney and obama straight up.

Spectacles have a good way of bringing the truth about.... This is precisely why they've just gone to ignoring Dr. Paul and us when the dirt they were slinging didn't stick and was backfiring with starting conversations about him.