2nd Planned Parenthood Video: Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes methods

[juleswin]

I am thinking that using that same logic, eagle eggs aren't really eagles, and therefore I should not be breaking federal law if I make an omelette or two while camping. Good to know.

The protection is on outsider against the eagle and her brood. If an eagle mummy knocks off one her her eggs or decides to eat the egg? no charges would be filed. But if you or a racoon decides to take the egg and eat it, that's when you run into trouble.

Also if you think eagles are more protected than human, just wait and see what happens to an eagle that kills an infant human child. That eagle will not be fined, will not be sent to prison, that eagle will be assassinated on the spot.

Take emotions out of this debate and things will start making sense again.

 

[RJB]

Take emotions morality and the love of human life out of this debate and things will start making sense again.

FIFY

 

[staerker]

Remember we are talking about market price for donation not market price for black market selling which is really the only market available for organ selling. Look, if this people were truly selling human tissue, it would be going for more than $75 a pop. The risk is way too much for the paltry reward.

And like I have been saying, if there is evidence, how come nobody in the GOP can get some federal court to charge them with a crime. At least get the case to trial and see what happens. Its not going to happen and do you know why? these reactionary politicians feigning outrage know very well that there is no crime of organ selling going on.

"Donation"/black market is irrelevant. It's like trying to argue between a "donation" and a bribe. The point is, covering costs was not the concern. The concern was competitiveness, and any "non-profit" trying to financially compete with another "non-profit" is a fraud.

The only true incentive for a medicinal "non-profit" is the furtherance of medicine. Spending money on more advanced equipment in order to undercut another lab that has superior capability does not accomplish that.

There are millions of injustices in the world, and one of the last things I would use to gauge the validity of a true concern would be a politician.

The very last place I would look to would be a federal court.

 

[bunklocoempire]

Not a gotcha as you think it is. Biotech companies use rats tissue, tissue from human organs from dead or living people to simulate a human condition, that doesn't make any of those a complete human. One could argue that it is tissue from the mother that is being used and not one from another human being.

Not quite sure where I stand, but human tissue doesn't equate to a human being. Blood is also on the level of tissue, donating human blood is not donating a human being.

Bolded is mine. My mom can donate her own tissue, it's uniquely hers. My dad can donate his own tissue, it's uniquely his. My tissue is uniquely my own and has been that way from the time the sperm, egg, and code got together -hands off please.

 

[juleswin]

FIFY

Et tu, RJB? I thought you were an undercover pro choice lib, you should be on my side on this

 

[nobody's_hero]

FIFY

QFT.

Jules you can try to paint people who are disagreeing as overly emotional clouded-minded individuals, but frankly, RJB put it more succinctly.

You know why a Georgia deputy can drop a flashbang in a baby crib and walk out away from a grand jury indictment? Because people these days are emotionless fucks. Zombies. Drones. If it can't be explained with science, then it isn't legitimately worthy of concern. Was the prescribed protocol followed? Yes? Well then: "Nothing to see here."

The people who sat on that grand jury probably were more concerned about what time they were gonna get to break for lunch during jury duty, than they were able to posses the human empathy necessary to view the issue from the mother's side.

 

[juleswin]

Bolded is mine. My mom can donate her own tissue, it's uniquely hers. My dad can donate his own tissue, it's uniquely his. My tissue is uniquely my own and has been that way from the time the sperm, egg, and code got together -hands off please.

Yea, it is a grey area and the country is evenly divided on who actually owns the tissue. Personally, I think baby, but what other people decide to pick is their own business, just leave me and my tax money out of it.

 

[juleswin]

"Donation"/black market is irrelevant. It's like trying to argue between a "donation" and a bribe. The point is, covering costs was not the concern. The concern was competitiveness, and any "non-profit" trying to financially compete with another "non-profit" is a fraud.

The only true incentive for a medicinal "non-profit" is the furtherance of medicine. Spending money on more advanced equipment in order to undercut another lab that has superior capability does not accomplish that.

There are millions of injustices in the world, and one of the last things I would use to gauge the validity of a true concern would be a politician.

The very last place I would look to would be a federal court.

You made some good points but you have yet to make one that convinces me that these people are selling human tissue in the black market for $75. Also, would you rather see the tissue tossed in the bio hazard bin or used for research. Personally, I pick research over tossing it out.

Just because you don't believe her, but covering cost is definitely one of her concerns. They say Gov. Jindal is investigation, I waiting to see what nothing comes out of it

 

[RJB]

Et tu, RJB? I thought you were an undercover pro choice lib, you should be on my side on this

Huh? Maybe you're confusing me with PRB.

Ever since my daughter came along 13 years ago, I've been staunchly prolife. It changed me in many ways.

You may be right about the emotional aspect of it. I can't think of abortion without thinking of all the beautiful and unloved children killed, who are no different than my own. I really don't fault pro-abortion people who have never had a child of their own.

But this society has taken the spirituality and love from sex, to the point that it is nothing more than a cheap toy that occasionally produces, broken homes, disease, and unwanted children.

 

[staerker]

You made some good points but you have yet to make one that convinces me that these people are selling human tissue in the black market for $75. Also, would you rather see the tissue tossed in the bio hazard bin or used for research. Personally, I pick research over tossing it out.

Just because you don't believe her, but covering cost is definitely one of her concerns. They say Gov. Jindal is investigation, I waiting to see what nothing comes out of it

By "the concern" I meant "the main concern." English. But, we are going in circles now.

And yes, because I believe that abortions are murder, I would rather "it" go into "the bin." As selling "tissue" for $75 not only adds incentive, but sets precedent, allowing much higher numbers in the future. Taking temporary losses for future gains. Things like this are not that difficult to predict. Common now.

 

[Sam I am]

Why is the buyer trying to haggle up?

 

[William Tell]

Et tu, RJB? I thought you were an undercover pro choice lib, you should be on my side on this

What the hell???

 

[RJB]

What the hell???

I've been outed. Go Hillary.

 

[jbauer]

They already are doing the abortions anyway so whats wrong with selling the tissue to researchers?

I don't know? You obviously don't value human life. What if we sell you? How much do you suppose we can get?

If you could figure out your cut, I'd be happy to set up the eBay auction. I bet we could even hid some profit in the shipping costs.

Humans suck!!!

 

[jbauer]

Yea, it is a grey area and the country is evenly divided on who actually owns the tissue. Personally, I think baby, but what other people decide to pick is their own business, just leave me and my tax money out of it.

So does the baby have its own unique DNA? I'm lost as to why a fetuses life vs a 1 week old vs an 17 year old is any different? They're all dependent on the parents.

I'm completely lost as to how there could be pro choice parents out there. That's what really bothers me. Watch a baby turn into their own individual and yet some of you want to shopvac that individual out and throw it in the trash.

 

[morfeeis]

Why is the buyer trying to haggle up?

they were the clinic, they wanted more for the bodies....

 

[Occam's Banana]

Also if you think eagles are more protected than human, just wait and see what happens to an eagle that kills an infant human child. That eagle will not be fined, will not be sent to prison, that eagle will be assassinated on the spot.

If that scenario (or one like it) actually happened, would you be willing to bet that the eagle's "assassin" would not end up facing any penalties, fines or charges?

I certainly wouldn't. (Meanwhile, back at the abortion clinic ...)

 

[limequat]

So does the baby have its own unique DNA?

Yes

I'm lost as to why a fetuses life vs a 1 week old vs an 17 year old is any different?

At some point the fetus becomes more and more human. At some point it develops: a beating heart, sensitivity to pain, self awareness. Not sure when those all are.

I'm completely lost as to how there could be pro choice parents out there. That's what really bothers me. Watch a baby turn into their own individual and yet some of you want to shopvac that individual out and throw it in the trash.

I can empathize with this. My perspective totally changed after having kids.

 

[Dianne]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ood-doctor-haggling-price-of-baby-body-parts/

Why couldn't that lady have been aborted?

 

[angelatc]

The protection is on outsider against the eagle and her brood. If an eagle mummy knocks off one her her eggs or decides to eat the egg? no charges would be filed. But if you or a racoon decides to take the egg and eat it, that's when you run into trouble.

Also if you think eagles are more protected than human, just wait and see what happens to an eagle that kills an infant human child. That eagle will not be fined, will not be sent to prison, that eagle will be assassinated on the spot.

Take emotions out of this debate and things will start making sense again.

I can assure you that you will never encounter anybody as devoid as emotion as me. And although I am not a wildlife expert I am an eBay seller so I occasionally need to brush up on federal law. Possessing as much as an eagle feather is illegal, even if it fell off the bird as it was flying by. So I am not convinced that you're right about abandoned eggs.

Nobody else in this thread even halfway agrees with you. I just think they're skirting the law, not breaking it.